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    Communists weren't patriots. They didn't fight for liberty (independent Czechoslovakia), but for Stalin. Gottwald (if you're so clever, you must know that person) was drunkard who served Stalin. I am ashamed for communsits, for that swines.

    You also spoke about Slovak uprising. Slovak "national" uprishing wasn't uprishing like other uprishings, but Slovakian fashists became bolsheviks when they knew Germans will fall. They always join stronger side.

    No man- i speak not about who died fighting with NAzy.
    What's the difference to with bolsheviks or nazis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Fiala View Post
    Communists weren't patriots. They didn't fight for liberty (independent Czechoslovakia), but for Stalin. Gottwald (if you're so clever, you must know that person) was drunkard who served Stalin. I am ashamed for communsits, for that swines.
    Jan tell me honestly - how many communists did you personally know in your life?
    COz you so boldly assert -thay did not fight agains liberty?
    Tell me one more thing- are you rich?
    You also spoke about Slovak uprising. Slovak "national" uprishing wasn't uprishing like other uprishings, but Slovakian fashists became bolsheviks when they knew Germans will fall. They always join stronger side.
    So you think that the Slovaks who were real traitors?
    They dastard not like the Czech , is this you rpoint?
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    Personally? All our society is full of communists, so I meet them daily. I could tell you many things about "our" communists, but it would be very difficult to translate.

    Slovakians really turned traitor us. When Germans were strongest then us, they joined them and became nationalists and later fashists. They were (are) real traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Fiala View Post
    Personally? All our society is full of communists, so I meet them daily. I could tell you many things about "our" communists, but it would be very difficult to translate.
    Really today in Czech repubilc so many communists
    What a surprise, i didnot even guess
    So tell me in couple of words - why you so hate them so much ? May be the want to kill you?
    Or send you to a Concentration camp?
    Slovakians really turned traitor us. When Germans were strongest then us, they joined them and became nationalists and later fashists. They were (are) real traitors.
    Well i/m understand why the Chohoslovakia were splited on two "independent" state
    Coz your "patriots" hate each others
    Sadly it was a great state though....

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    Why?
    1) because of utopian ideology
    2) because of their acts (murders, collectivization, witch-hunt of people, gulags etc. it is so much)
    3) because they destroyed Europe, our culture, industry (American life style finished it) etc.
    4) they are not prohibited or punnished


    Really today in Czech repubilc so many communists
    Yes, here is so many communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Fiala View Post
    Why?
    1) because of utopian ideology
    Is the social guaranties, equal possibilities ,free education and medicine service is this a utopia on you mind?
    2) because of their acts (murders, collectivization, witch-hunt of people, gulags etc. it is so much)
    Oh year...so how many the Czech communists that you meet daily killed the people ?
    3) because they destroyed Europe, our culture, industry (American life style finished it) etc.
    So you please make clear you point.
    Is the American life style has finished YOUR culture or the communists around you?
    Coz this is two great differences.
    And how do you explain that early in the USSR we saw a lot of excelent Chehoslovakian and Polish films.
    But today when you has been liberated for communists- we SEE NOTHING?
    And YOUR television is full of foreign POP shit?
    Where is YOUR national culture if you so FREE today like you say?
    4) they are not prohibited or punnished
    punished for what - do they propogande the extremism or race hate? Do they kill today a peoples in Czech republic?
    Yes, here is so many communists.
    So you hate them ---- for nothing coz they simply dislike you , right?

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    1) Cancellation of class society and other communist nionsenses - it's utopia
    2) Today not, but you probably don't know anything about 50's years in "democratic" czechoslovakia.

    Is the American life style has finished YOUR culture or the communists around you?
    Communists liqided patriotism and Czech culture. After 89. people doted on American life style - our televisions are a full of foreign POP shit! Today aou people can't use czech language, because they known only lousy words like a "ok, ****, shit, good, cool", they dosn't know Czech orthography. These factors are in our society because of communsit control until 1989.

    Where is YOUR national culture if you so FREE today like you say?
    We are free?! It's relative.

    Punnish for what? For "liberation", 41 years of lack of freedom, collectivisation, witch-hunt of not communist people, executed humans, censorship... If you doesn't know about reality in eastern block, don't discuss about communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Fiala View Post
    1) Cancellation of class society and other communist nionsenses - it's utopia
    The class devision is not utopia.
    This was may be the one of few RIGHT things that Carl Marx has invented in 19 centure.
    The class devision is the obvious thing Jan.
    True.. the bolshevick via their unhuman methouds have compromated this concept.
    However the class struggle is the very accurate term for the actual relations of the Richs and Poors( ot betwen the masters and its workers)
    2) Today not, but you probably don't know anything about 50's years in "democratic" czechoslovakia.
    Probably you right.I know a not much about Chehoslovakia.
    But at least i know for sure - in the soviet block the Chehoslovakia played the great and importaint economical and military role.
    It was a industry and military producer.
    Do you even know that the Czech produced the manies of kinds of the modern wearpons including the licensed Soviet aircrafts.
    The Czech motorcycle Jawa was a one of the best in the USSR.So indeed communist made a lot of the creating the great industry in Chehoslovakia.
    Communists liqided patriotism and Czech culture. After 89. people doted on American life style - our televisions are a full of foreign POP shit! Today aou people can't use czech language, because they known only lousy words like a "ok, ****, shit, good, cool", they dosn't know Czech orthography. These factors are in our society because of communsit control until 1989.
    He he he.
    Americans finished your Language and culture?
    And who did help them today - YOUR DEMOCRATS-PATRIOTS.Not communists.
    So relax and enjoy
    YOUR democrats has finished you country Chehoslovakia.They has teared it into pieces.
    We are free?! It's relative.

    Punnish for what? For "liberation", 41 years of lack of freedom, collectivisation, witch-hunt of not communist people, executed humans, censorship... If you doesn't know about reality in eastern block, don't discuss about communism.
    now you will tell me about realities in Eastern block
    That's fun Jan.
    I lived in USSR and I KNOW for sure that the DDR and Chehoslovakia was the BEST countries in the whole soviet block where the life level was much higher then in the USSR.
    Those both states had no crisis like the Poland or Romanian had in 1980-yy.
    So i would not portray on you rplace the terrible conditions in the Eastern block.
    You really have not seen the bad reality.

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    Stratification of the population is sole possibility.

    And who did help them today - YOUR DEMOCRATS-PATRIOTS.Not communists.
    Our current politicans are (exservice) communists who work only for money, not for our country.

    I lived in USSR and I KNOW for sure that the DDR and Chehoslovakia was the BEST countries in the whole soviet block where the life level was much higher then in the USSR.
    Yeah, but in prewar times was a life level very higher than in age of communists. We were advanced like a France, GB and other western states. Collectivisation destroyed agronomy in all eastern block, but in such advanced country as Czechoslovakia it was catastrophe.

    You really have not seen the bad reality.
    I know about the bas reality' That's just it why comunists must be punnished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Fiala View Post
    Our current politicans are (exservice) communists who work only for money, not for our country.
    But your people have voted for them- so why is guit that such bastards are in a power
    Righ ,thaey have no political convictions, and want just a money and power.
    But why do you want to punish not them , but simple peoples around you who are not in the power but who believe in the equal of social rights and its ideals?They are at least honest and didnot changed their convictions in aim to get the power.
    No you see while you want to punish commi - the dastard "democrats" are much worsen then them.
    Yeah, but in prewar times was a life level very higher than in age of communists. We were advanced like a France, GB and other western states. Collectivisation destroyed agronomy in all eastern block, but in such advanced country as Czechoslovakia it was catastrophe.
    This is a old fary tells of the YOUR nationalist.The simular tells i heared from Russian nationalist - the Tsar Russian was a greates state in the world that evil commies have destroyed.
    Indeed the Czechoslovakia was the greates East European state even during the Soviet era.
    The communists at least saved the Czehoslovakia.
    The Democrat have teared it into the two pieces.
    So lucky you now?
    the Czech and Slovakian republic is nothing with comparition with Britain and France.
    And you are wrong about collectivisation.
    Althought collectivisation in 1930 has began from nasty things - this let the USSR to create the very power heavy industry that later has SAVED our state from the GErmans invasion (coz we have really mass productions of aircraft ,tanls and artillery).
    Besides i know for the sure that there were as bad collective farmers as the enough succesfull ones.All depends form a personal management.
    I know about the bas reality' That's just it why comunists must be punnished.
    Yea ... you punish the simple communist while YOU dastard "democrats" enjoy the their power now.
    Go on dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    But your people have voted for them- so why is guit that such bastards are in a power
    Righ ,thaey have no political convictions, and want just a money and power.
    But why do you want to punish not them , but simple peoples around you who are not in the power but who believe in the equal of social rights and its ideals?They are at least honest and didnot changed their convictions in aim to get the power.
    No you see while you want to punish commi - the dastard "democrats" are much worsen then them.
    Those who can win democratic elections are to possess ample financial, media and often administrative resources.
    Actually in post-communist states the only candidates who have possessed all these things are former communist party bureaucrats and security service officers. So

    This is a old fary tells of the YOUR nationalist.Indeed the Czechoslovakia was the greates East European state even during the Soviet era.
    The communists at least saved the Czehoslovakia.
    The Democrat have teared it into the two pieces.
    It is just the evidence that multinational states collapse as a rule.


    And you are wrong about collectivisation.
    Althought collectivisation in 1930 has began from nasty things - this let the USSR to create the very power heavy industry that later has SAVED our state from the GErmans invasion (coz we have really mass productions of aircraft ,tanls and artillery).
    Besides i know for the sure that there were as bad collective farmers as the enough succesfull ones.All depends form a personal management.
    It is not true. Collectivisation in 1930 was the mere liquidation of sound peasants who can potentially oppose to the Soviets. But it was not the essential source for financing the creation of the powerful heavy industry.

    The main sources were the export of mineral resources and the free slave labour of millions of Gulag prisoners

    Yea ... you punish the simple communist while YOU dastard "democrats" enjoy the their power now.
    Go on dude
    The most of the democrats in the Eastern Europe are former communists.
    They just changed their image according to the global fashion. I would not speak about simple communits, I have not heard about activities of organisations that claim to be communist in the Czech Republic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Those who can win democratic elections are to possess ample financial, media and often administrative resources.
    Actually in post-communist states the only candidates who have possessed all these things are former communist party bureaucrats and security service officers. So
    So it right be to PUNISH them - the former communists who today look as democrats, right?
    Not the simple peoples ( mostly oldest) who still believe in the communist ideals
    It is just the evidence that multinational states collapse as a rule.
    Yea... so look for the USA man.
    There live over 250++ nationalities today . Strange why it did not collapes
    The "rule" is the ONLY for the dastard greedy nationalist leaders who want a more power for themself. But not for the normal states.
    It is not true. Collectivisation in 1930 was the mere liquidation of sound peasants who can potentially oppose to the Soviets. But it was not the essential source for financing the creation of the powerful heavy industry.

    The main sources were the export of mineral resources and the free slave labour of millions of Gulag prisoners
    No again.
    The primary aim of collectivisation was to get the MONEY and products for the INDUSTRIALISTION.
    And you know it Kato.Coz the first positive resault of the collectivisation in Ukraine was Donbass, Dneproges, a hundreds of newest Greats plants and ets .
    The most of the democrats in the Eastern Europe are former communists.
    They just changed their image according to the global fashion. I would not speak about simple communits, I have not heard about activities of organisations that claim to be communist in the Czech Republic.
    Well so What do communist Jan mean in Czech republic in this way?
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    So it right be to PUNISH them - the former communists who today look as democrats, right?
    Not the simple peoples ( mostly oldest) who still believe in the communist ideals
    I don't think there are persons (especially oldest) who still believe in the communist ideals in the Czech republic. It is the case with the former republics of the USSR but this phenomenon will soon disappear. Communism is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    The primary aim of collectivisation was to get the MONEY and products for the INDUSTRIALISTION.
    And you know it Kato.Coz the first positive resault of the collectivisation in Ukraine was Donbass, Dneproges, a hundreds of newest Greats plants and ets .
    After collectivisation the USSR turned from the main exporter of agricultural products into main importer of them. So any strategic benefits are very dubious. Besides the profits from the export of some potatoes and wheat is miserable in comparison with the export of mineral resources.

    Dneproges, a hundreds of newest Greats plants were mainly built by slaves from Gulags and it reduced the expenses greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    After collectivisation the USSR turned from the main exporter of agricultural products into main importer of them. So any strategic benefits are very dubious. Besides the profits from the export of some potatoes and wheat is miserable in comparison with the export of mineral resources.
    Kato, the collectivization actually increased the productivity of agriculture in USSR. At expences of other things amongst which are the lives.

    1928 - 470 grain Kg/year; produced by 50 mill. pesants.
    1937 - 430 grain Kg/year; produced by 30 mill. pesants.

    source: "Драма самоуничтожения", Вадим Кожинов.
    "Но вернемся во вторую половину 1930-х годов. Выше было сказано о тогдашнем впечатляющем сдвиге в сфере промышленности. В сельском хозяйстве дело обстояло гораздо скромнее, —уже в силу изложенных только что причин (промышленность зависит от местоположения страны в значительно меньшей степени, чем сельское хозяйство). И в последнее время постоянно высказывается мнение, что сельское хозяйство в тот период было менее эффективным, чем в нэповское время, ибо население росло быстрее, чем урожаи зерновых. Так, по подсчетам Л.А.Гордона и Э.В.Кло-пова. на душу населения в 1928 году приходилось 470 кг зерна (на год), а в 1938-м — 430 кг. Однако эти стремящиеся к объективности авторы тут же сообщают, что в первом случае перед нами результат труда "50—55 млн. крестьян-единоличников", а во втором — всего "30—35 млн. колхозников и рабочих совхозов" (цитата по "Гордон Л.А, Клопов Э.В. Что это было? Размышления о предпосылках и итогах того, что случилось с нами в 30— 40-е годы.—М.,1989,с.б4.", с.80), — то есть на 40% меньше."

    The point is that the harvest prior to collectivization was a little bigger, but it was generated by many more people. So after collectivization an average peasnt produced almost 2 times more grain. There was a shift in the population - people moved into towns or were forcibly relocated into other areas to work in the industry.
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