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10-27-2007, 03:44 PM
Because I'm feeling evil, here's a quiz for the really obscure WW2 aircraft out there. Whoever guesses it right puts the next one up, and if there's no activity for a while I'll put a new one up myself.

First aircraft...

10-29-2007, 09:26 AM
Bristol Buckmaster - P indicating Mark 1 prototype

10-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Spot on. Your turn.

10-29-2007, 10:12 PM

What's this. usually gets my vote as one of the ugliest aircraft of the 1939-45 period :D

10-30-2007, 04:11 AM
Curtiss-Wright CW-21 Demon, honorable Mr. Amrit. Here it is:


And my sincerest congratulations – this task really was a difficult one! :)

10-30-2007, 10:42 AM
Well done Librarian. I expected a few wrong turns but not only did you get the aircraft but the original sources too. It's a very good article.

Over to you for the next question.

And thank you for the compliment - I like odd aircraft :D

10-31-2007, 04:47 AM
And thank you for the compliment - I like odd aircraft

Oh, not at all - I am assuring you, my dear Mr. Amrit that aforesaid compliment is absolutely well-deserved. :)

Besides, I like aircraft oddities too. Therefore here is one: do you recognize this type?


11-05-2007, 03:50 PM
Beats me I'm afraid. So I'm returning the compliment ;)

11-05-2007, 05:00 PM
And the answer is Bloch M.B. 157, my dear Mr. Pdf 27. Here it is:


Sorry, I don’t have much time today – besides, I am preparing an large article for another thread here – but I will say that my "mystery airplane" actually had an Internet debut. Yes, as you may suppose, that airplane is a very interesting Yugoslav machine from 1940 – more precisely Rogožarski R 313, a bomber – destroyer equipped with two Walter Sagitta 2 R (500 HP!) engine, capable to achieve maximum speed of 460 km/h. A short description you will be able to find here:


Well, I have to proceed with my work. See you tomorrow!

In the meantime - all the best! ;)

11-05-2007, 05:06 PM
That's frighteningly quick Mr Librarian <bows out of respect>.

11-06-2007, 05:10 PM
Oh, please my dear Mr. Pdf 27 – basically there is nothing unusual in that actuality. You know, as every fellow with eyeglasses I am only trying to recompensate my objective physical inability. Like your great fellow countryman, late Sir Morien Bedford, I was misfortunate enough to be completely unfit for flying. And that’s why I am obliged to balance that verity with my dreams. :)

And here is another mystery plane for you. Do you recognize this machine?


Major Walter Schmidt
01-09-2008, 12:49 AM
Bristol Bleniem with floats.

02-26-2008, 12:05 PM
blohm un voss Ha140

Major Walter Schmidt
02-28-2008, 01:29 AM
I go with Gumalangi.

03-02-2008, 08:10 AM
its been quite a while for the respond of the quiz poser,.. so i will go ahead then :D

What might be of this steel bird?

Hint: Mission for peace

Major Walter Schmidt
03-02-2008, 10:31 AM
White japanese "bettys" painted white with green crosses as a sign of peace.

03-03-2008, 12:57 AM
you are correct,.. how about this,..

Major Walter Schmidt
03-03-2008, 08:54 PM
A-20 Havoc?

03-04-2008, 08:27 AM
Nein,.. nachste halte,. bahnhof!

Major Walter Schmidt
03-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Oh #$#E&#37;.

03-04-2008, 09:16 PM
warum? was ist passiert?

03-06-2008, 05:52 AM
This is easy one. its an A-26..used to play in one as a kid and one still fly's over my house everyday. Its based at the local airport.

well,. everybody backyark got their own story isnt it? :)

03-09-2008, 12:30 PM
Well,.. as A26 was taken,.. how about this one,.. any taker?;)

Major Walter Schmidt
03-09-2008, 09:44 PM
Me 209?

03-10-2008, 12:16 AM
fraid not sir!,...

Major Walter Schmidt
03-10-2008, 09:20 AM
He 100?

03-10-2008, 11:11 AM
hint: dont trust on the marking

Major Walter Schmidt
03-10-2008, 08:38 PM
What nation did it used to belong to?

03-11-2008, 05:50 AM
the plane made from eastern sphere of europe,..

03-11-2008, 07:18 AM
Should be could be the Mig-1/3

03-11-2008, 08:03 AM
nicely answered sir,.. here we go,..

03-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Fiat G-55 Centauro, you sure like that "don't look at the markings" thingie ;)

03-11-2008, 05:05 PM
Yes sir.. don't judge a book by it's price tag,.

this one no marking,..

Major Walter Schmidt
03-11-2008, 05:34 PM
Type 2 heavy transport seaplane

03-11-2008, 05:34 PM
Short Sunderland

03-11-2008, 05:50 PM
this time,. i got you sir ;) ,.. no it is not short sunderland,. the rudder too thick for a sunderland,.. it is a IJN H8K2 Type 2 'Emily' as our kind major mentioned,.. :)

03-11-2008, 06:02 PM
An odd designed plane,..

Major Walter Schmidt
03-11-2008, 06:26 PM
I mean, it is asymetric.

03-11-2008, 06:31 PM
right,.. :shock: that was fast

how about this one then? :)

03-11-2008, 06:35 PM
G4M1 betty bomber? :confused:

03-11-2008, 06:40 PM
are you answering my previous post?,.. or my latest?,. if the latest,. no man,. it is not betty,.. :)

03-11-2008, 06:58 PM
Fairey Fulmar

03-11-2008, 07:03 PM
another correct answer,. and here we go

Major Walter Schmidt
03-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Some kind of expirimental mustang?

03-11-2008, 07:33 PM
no sir,.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 01:55 AM
Ryan XF2R Dark Shark?

03-12-2008, 03:20 AM
getting close there

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 09:28 AM
XF8B1... It was in the JPG name man...be careful next time.

03-12-2008, 10:22 AM
shoot,. :D,. silly me,..

say,. major put your aircraft here,.. and lets have it crack,.. but not too difficult please ;)

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 12:10 PM

03-12-2008, 12:19 PM
Fi 156 stork

03-12-2008, 04:28 PM
Sorry gumalangi thought it was last page sorry:(

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 05:09 PM
Nein. It isnt the stork.

03-12-2008, 05:28 PM
Odd, since it looks exactly like a Storch.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 05:41 PM

03-12-2008, 05:53 PM
Ahem, the Morane Saulnier 500 is technically a Fieseler Storch

Major Walter Schmidt
03-12-2008, 06:45 PM
Oh..... Actualy it is the Mrane Saulnier MS 505 I belive.

03-12-2008, 07:20 PM
This would mean a different engine than the original, but according to this
it's an original MS 500, but that's nitpicking anyway :D

03-13-2008, 03:05 AM
drake put your steel bird here... :)

03-14-2008, 04:45 AM
.. what is possibly this?

Major Walter Schmidt
03-15-2008, 01:41 AM
me 210?

03-15-2008, 09:36 AM
fret not friend,.. it is russian made,.. ;)

Major Walter Schmidt
03-15-2008, 11:59 AM

03-15-2008, 05:04 PM
yes,. your turn

Major Walter Schmidt
03-15-2008, 09:50 PM

03-16-2008, 02:48 AM
Focke-Achgelis Fa.225

Major Walter Schmidt
03-16-2008, 03:40 AM
The Glider-autogyro thing.

03-17-2008, 12:18 AM
what is this.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-17-2008, 10:03 AM
Is it japanese?

03-17-2008, 10:31 AM

Major Walter Schmidt
03-18-2008, 12:16 PM
Do-19 Uralbomber

03-18-2008, 12:45 PM
yep,.. ur turn

Major Walter Schmidt
03-18-2008, 03:03 PM
This bomber might just be too late...

03-20-2008, 03:16 AM
Ar 234

Major Walter Schmidt
03-20-2008, 10:18 AM
be more precise...

03-20-2008, 12:07 PM
Ar 234C,... man,. last time you answered me with Type 2 heavy transport, and it was OK,. despite of missing many aircraft details..

Major Walter Schmidt
03-20-2008, 06:24 PM
No... it aint theC.
Okay, the Japanese way of saying it is 二式大艇 which means type two heavy flying boat.

03-21-2008, 08:34 AM
as from a distance away,.. it still has ski landing gear,.. it is most probably from early trial variants,. V series (V1-v8),. my choice of C series as it seemed to have 4 motoren,. which each paired together.

Next time if you want a more specific answer,. please put a clearer and bigger picture, especially when the type has lots of variants, As in each variants we would able to identify the main different one to another.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-21-2008, 09:04 AM
ill be careful.

03-21-2008, 09:22 AM
relax man,. as the quiz also,. just for refreshing,. :)

Major Walter Schmidt
03-21-2008, 12:01 PM
get a new one...

03-21-2008, 06:05 PM
What is this

Major Walter Schmidt
03-21-2008, 07:48 PM
Okay... Schmidt ran away so crabby is now on the keyboard...

/\(?o?)/\ I am clueless.

Schmidt is back...
Hint plz.

03-22-2008, 02:23 AM
HInt : The manufacturer made one of the most potent fighters during the war in europe.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-22-2008, 11:37 AM

03-23-2008, 05:20 AM
German manufacturer,..

Major Walter Schmidt
03-23-2008, 09:26 AM
Henshel Hs 129?

03-23-2008, 10:43 AM
did henschel made potent fighter during WW2?

Major Walter Schmidt
03-23-2008, 04:39 PM
fw 189?

03-23-2008, 10:40 PM
getting close there,..

Big Hint: Another Bf 110 contender

Major Walter Schmidt
03-24-2008, 05:32 PM
fw 187?

03-24-2008, 05:55 PM
not that one,. this one,. earlier contender,.. so called,. kampfzertorer

Major Walter Schmidt
03-24-2008, 09:18 PM
fw 191?

03-24-2008, 11:32 PM
its the first guess major,.. your turn ;)

Major Walter Schmidt
03-25-2008, 11:43 AM
It aint the J7.....

Major Walter Schmidt
03-31-2008, 07:45 PM
Where did gumalangui go?

04-01-2008, 11:19 AM
I don’t know where Mr. Gumalangui is, my dear rank-colleague, but I do know that aforementioned airplane is Mizuno Shinryu. Please, just follow this link:


Major Walter Schmidt
04-01-2008, 09:26 PM
Ya! Thats were I got it! You go next.

04-02-2008, 07:54 AM
Vielen Dank, sehr geehrter Herr Major! So, what type of a flying contraption is this piece of equipment?


Major Walter Schmidt
04-04-2008, 05:30 PM

04-07-2008, 12:19 PM
Unfortunately - no, my dear Herr Major: this is not the PZL 12. However, this airplane definitely is tightly connected with certain „Eastern” countries located on the Balkan peninsula... :)

05-24-2008, 03:38 AM
looks like a Westland "Lysander" army co-operation aircraft. With very short take off and landing characteristics, it could deposit agents in occupied territory with ease..

Major Walter Schmidt
05-28-2008, 04:10 PM
The wing doesnt look like it and the insignia (I think) points to Yugoslavia if im noy wrong.

05-28-2008, 09:17 PM
"Kraguj" with a British-made Bristol Pegasus air-cooled radial, my dear Mr. Yurek? No, definitely not. ;)

And yes, my dear Mr. B5N2 – it surely belongs to the very same class of the so called Liaison aircrafts, like its renowned British counterpart, the Westland Lysander. The only problem is that this machine we have here (photo taken at the Batajnica airport near Belgrade, back there in 1949, while in use by YAF) was produced in … Bulgaria. :)

08-03-2008, 02:06 PM
Is this thread dead or just sleeping?
This aircraft is a LWS-3 Mewa.

08-19-2008, 04:04 PM
Yes, you are right, my dear Mr. Sergej – this thread is a little bit sleepy, but I think that with your valued support we will have a breakthrough! ;)

And no – our mystery airplane is not the LWS 3 – Mewa. But without a doubt it has a very strong "family ties" with that eminent machine. :)

08-19-2008, 05:05 PM
I was too overzealous.:D
Than it had to be the KB-11A with an
PZL Bristol Pegasus XXI engine.
Nice to see you again here.

08-20-2008, 04:32 AM
Thank you for your kind words, my dear Mr. Sergej! :) Yes – this time you are absolutely right! Our mystery flyer was the Kaproni-Bulgarski KB-11 Fazan (Pheasant), equipped with a license-built PZL – Bristol Pegasus XXI (835 HP) and a genuine Bulgarian KB-Kazanlik type of propeller.

Thirty airplanes have successfully served within different units of the YAF until 1958. Unfortunately, not a single machine survived the official decommissioning. :(

08-20-2008, 05:19 AM
It is sad that so many historical equipment were simply scrapped.:(
Just imagine a K-Wagen or a Tsar-Tank in an museum.
My offer:

08-20-2008, 06:02 AM
Indeed, my dear Mr. Sergej. Alas, we cannot do anything about that sad verity... :(

In the meantime, I think that I have the answer for your enigma: Mitshubishi J8 M1 Shusui. :)

08-20-2008, 06:11 AM
This is not the Shūsui.

08-20-2008, 06:20 AM
Oh, my Lord, than what we have here? Perhaps the Yokosuka MXY 8 Akigusa,unmotorized training glider version of the J8M Shusui. :)

08-20-2008, 06:23 AM
That's the right answer!:mrgreen:

08-20-2008, 06:51 AM
Splendid, my dear Mr. Sergej! So here is another one: do you recognize this tiny flying oddity? ;)

08-20-2008, 07:46 AM
This is S, S like Sparka, made by Bolchowitinow.
Fast close-range bomber.

08-20-2008, 08:39 AM
Well, it seems to me that we are gaining a momentum here, my dear Mr. Sergej! :D

Yes, our mystery plane was the Bolkhovitinov S (Sparka) - a high-speed close-support bomber. It combined power of twin-engine aircraft with low drag of a classic single-engine scheme, as well as the unique electric control system that included remotely controlled MGs in the tail section.

Your turn again!;)

08-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Here is the next flying questionmark.

08-20-2008, 09:44 AM
What a magnificent tempo we have today, my dear Mr. Sergej – yes, I like that Fokker D.XXIII very much as well! :D

08-20-2008, 09:47 AM
Your right again!:mrgreen:
Please carry on.

08-20-2008, 10:09 AM
OK, my dear Mr. Sergej - what is this? ;)

BTW: you will excuse me for a few hours - my lunch is already served and kids have some troubles with their peculiar homework as well... :roll:

08-20-2008, 11:21 AM
No problem, we all have a reallife.:D
This aircraft is the forgotten DC-5.
Only 12 were build and no one survived
until now. USAAF designation was C-110
and USMC called this R3D.

08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
Thank you for your understanding, my dear Mr. Sergej. And yes, the DC 5 - "the forgotten Douglas" - really was our mysterious bird.

Your turn again!:D

08-20-2008, 04:24 PM
Ok - this is our next aircraft.

08-20-2008, 04:46 PM
You really do like Soviet constructions, my dear Mr. Sergej! Excellent: Bisnovat SK is my favorite too! :D

08-20-2008, 05:10 PM
Yes you are right it's the SK-1.
Soviet aircrafts are really special and dramatic.
Many engineers and scientists felt to Stalins
repressions, were shot or went as prisoners
to Gulags. But there were still made unqiue

08-21-2008, 06:40 AM
Good – in that case, we certainly will have some pleasant moments. ;)

In the meantime, here is another aeronautical quandary. Do you recognize this one?

08-21-2008, 08:10 AM
That seems to be the Ikarus Orkan medium bomber.

08-21-2008, 08:18 AM
And it surely is, my dear Mr. Sergej. Please, proceed. :D

BTW: don’t you think that we are somehow lonesome here? :roll:

08-21-2008, 08:52 AM
To attract some more users I'll take a easy one but not too easy.;)
I hope there more people interrested in military gear out there.

08-21-2008, 12:03 PM
OK, my dear Mr. Sergej – in that case I shall just remain silent as well! I think it is a fair deal. ;)

08-21-2008, 01:29 PM
That's presumably the French postwar knock-off of the Fieseler Storch?

08-21-2008, 02:06 PM
Yes it's a knock-off but not French and not postwar.

08-22-2008, 04:38 AM
Hello, Sergej!

Is it the Czech built version, the K-65 Č&#225;p?

Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-22-2008, 05:23 AM
Hi, Malarz Russ

It's not the K-65, K-65 is a postwar production,
but this bird is a prewar model. It didn't become
operational because of the war.

08-23-2008, 08:21 AM
A tip: The manufactorer called this aircraft in their language also Stork, like the German (Storch) or the Czech (Č&#225;p).

08-23-2008, 08:35 AM
The only other prewar manufacturer I can find is Antonov, but they called it the A-38 or SHS, neither of which appear to mean Stork :(.

08-23-2008, 08:46 AM
You are right! it's build by Antonov, some sources called it OKA-38.
Stork in Russian would be Аист (Aist).

It's your turn.

08-23-2008, 11:23 AM
OK then, this will hopefully be moderately tricky. The whole photo is too easy, so I'm only showing a bit...

08-23-2008, 11:30 AM
Bristol Bombay!

08-23-2008, 11:34 AM
Jeepers that was quick! Next time I'm giving you a cockpit window or a rivet or something!

08-23-2008, 11:42 AM
That was only luck.
The next secret:

Major Walter Schmidt
08-23-2008, 04:54 PM
looks like a Luft46 with bolshie markings...

Major Walter Schmidt
08-23-2008, 05:00 PM
Bisnovat 5

08-23-2008, 05:31 PM
Not Bisnovat 5, but close.

Major Walter Schmidt
08-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Florov 4302

08-23-2008, 07:30 PM
Now it's right!
Please carry on.
And now: gute Nacht.

Major Walter Schmidt
08-23-2008, 07:47 PM

08-24-2008, 01:49 PM
Looks like Zeke-cockpit.

Major Walter Schmidt
08-25-2008, 05:36 PM
yes. you are correct

08-25-2008, 05:53 PM
I wasn't sure which version exactly, cause in Il-2 the look all the same.
The next one:

08-26-2008, 03:42 AM
Hiya, SergeJ!

I'll offer that it is a Saab B-18B light bomber / dive bomber. Designed in the 30's, it didn't actually fly until 1942. Originally flown with Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp radials, it was up-engined to Daimler Benz DB605's, giving it about 800 more horse power.



Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-26-2008, 06:05 AM
Hi Malarz Russ,

I've choose a photo, where you can't see the roundels clearly,
to make it a bit more difficult, but you are right.

Your turn!

08-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Hello, y'all!

Thanx, Sergej! I didn't actually think to look for roundels til I already figured out what it was, d'oh!

Here's my offering... something maybe a little easier!



Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-26-2008, 04:58 PM

Sorry, I didn't realize the picture would be so darn big!

08-27-2008, 09:05 PM
That's a Culver Cadet.

08-27-2008, 10:28 PM
Hiya, Sergej!

Close, but not quite...

Can anyone get it?

Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-28-2008, 06:15 AM
Ok, a Culver PQ-14 Cadet.
This is the same aircraft as in the picture:

08-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Hiya, SergeJ!

You got it now... but it still isn't a Cadet. Wikipedia is a great resource, but it's major problem is that it doesn't really require 100&#37; accuracy or even honesty, as I've seen some pretty amazing things offered as fact.

The PQ-14 was developed (enlarged and reengined) from the PQ-8. PQ-8 was known as the "Cadet" after the aircraft it was developed from, the Culver LFA "Cadet".

So... you got it! It's a Culver PQ-14 drone aircraft. Puzzle us!

p.s. I apologize if I'm being anal, I am sometimes.

Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-28-2008, 03:23 PM
Hey, Malarz Russ!
Ai, they even linked to the National museum of the USAF,
but can't copy/paste the right name, that's poor.:neutral:
Anyway, I offer you this great aircraft:

08-28-2008, 03:52 PM
Martin-Baker MB-5 - try a hard one for a change!

08-28-2008, 04:02 PM
Well, what can I say, you are right.
But I think this is not so easy as
this was only a prototype.
Your turn!

08-28-2008, 05:01 PM
All right, next one. I need the EXACT designation of the aircraft.

08-28-2008, 06:01 PM
I can't see any details so I guess...
A Model 139W Royal Thai Air Force,
cause I didn't found any other with
such painting on the motors.

08-28-2008, 06:17 PM
Dammit, I thought putting "EXACT" in capitals would be a bit obvious. Your go.

08-28-2008, 07:19 PM
Kindness don't hurt.

08-28-2008, 08:18 PM
Hiya, SergeJ!

That was a good one... your latest is a Hanriot H.232 trainer, captured from France by the Luftwaffe until being scrapped in 1942.

Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-29-2008, 05:44 AM
Hi, Malarz Russ!

Bam, that was fast:shock:
You're right. Three of them were send to Finland,
only two made it and they were used as T-LeLv 17.
Please, carry on!

08-30-2008, 03:10 AM
Hello, y'all!

This should be an easy one...


Enjoy and have a great weekend!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

08-30-2008, 03:13 AM
It's an early stealth aircraft? All I see is



09-06-2008, 07:00 PM
Hiya, y'all!

Sorry about the delay... can anyone see the picture yet? Let me know. I can see it just fine, but that kinda defeats the purpose of me trying to puzzle all of you!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

SS Ouche-Vittes
09-06-2008, 08:52 PM
I see a C-47

09-07-2008, 08:10 PM
Hello, SS Ouche-Vittes!

Not quite, that's only what you think you see... look at the cockpit and look at what the tail says.

Proud son of Rose and Wes

09-07-2008, 08:26 PM
I would say it's a Nakajima L2D Showa, a japanese licence copy of the DC-3,
captured by the US.
If you look on the painting it could be even the same aircraft.

09-07-2008, 09:57 PM
Hello, y'all!

Sergej, you got it! It's a Showa L2D, a licenced copy of the Douglas DC-3. It has extra windows at the rear of the flightdeck, the most obvious identifying mark. The DC-3 was a big enough winner that everybody flew them during WWII.

Your turn now, Sergej, puzzle us!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

09-08-2008, 07:05 AM
The DC-3 is still one of the most beautiful aircraft. ...and still in use...
My next offer:

Major Walter Schmidt
09-08-2008, 09:49 PM
Messerschmidt Me 329.. one of my favs

Major Walter Schmidt
09-08-2008, 09:50 PM

09-09-2008, 06:19 AM
Yes, of course!
Designed by Alexander Lippisch, It was planed as a
bomber/ground attack aircraft. Only a mockup was
build, but some gliding test were made.
Please continue.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-09-2008, 08:44 PM

09-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Hiya, Major Schmidt!

Good choice! Allow me to offer a hint to our brothers:

Challenge 1934

Good luck!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

09-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Good hint maybe a bit too good.
It's the Fieseler Fi 97.

SS Ouche-Vittes
09-10-2008, 02:27 PM
bf 108?

Major Walter Schmidt
09-11-2008, 01:39 PM
Sergej is correct!!

09-11-2008, 03:56 PM
Ok, the next:

09-11-2008, 04:10 PM
What, you mean this photo?

09-11-2008, 04:17 PM
Righty, next one.

09-12-2008, 02:38 PM
Bumpety bump. Anyone?

09-12-2008, 03:29 PM
That's a Fairey Gordon.

09-12-2008, 04:44 PM
Yep. All yours.

09-12-2008, 05:32 PM
Our next bird would have been able to make some havoce on the battlefield,
but it didn't went into production.

09-12-2008, 06:37 PM
Already been done: http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5516&page=4

09-12-2008, 06:55 PM
My bad.:neutral:
That one should be new.

SS Ouche-Vittes
09-12-2008, 09:35 PM
it's russian!!

09-12-2008, 11:35 PM
Hiya, Sergej!

I can't actually find a picture, but I think it's the ANT-51, that eventually led to the Su-2.
Proud son of Rose and Wes

09-13-2008, 04:50 AM
Ant-51 image attached. Clearly related, but not the one.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-13-2008, 10:44 AM
The Su-2

09-13-2008, 11:25 AM
This is a Su-2:
And this is what we're looking for:
There is a connection, but this is not made by Sukhoi.

09-18-2008, 04:05 PM
Some hints:
The designer was very popular at this time,
but he didn't have seen the end of the war.

This is a Su-2:
And this is what we're looking for:
There is a connection, but this is not made by Sukhoi.
These machines were made for a competition for a light bomber/
reconnaissance aircraft.

09-24-2008, 11:20 AM
Perhaps our mystery airplane is that sorrowfully neglected Polikarpov "Ivanov", my dear Mr. Sergej? Here you have a direct link:


In the meantime, as always – all the best! :)

09-24-2008, 04:47 PM
You're right!
In 1936 the VVS started the competition "Ivanov".
The aim was to get a replacement for the Polikarpov
R-5. The new aircraft should take the role of a close-
range bomber, a ground attack aircraft and a
reconnaissance aircraft. Sukhoi, Neman and Polikarpov
took part in this competition. Sukhois aircraft was the
only one which made it to the production lines.
I'll tell you more detailed about this aircrafts in the
experimental aircraft thead later.
And now, please proceed Librarian!

09-25-2008, 03:06 PM
Thank you, my dear Mr. Sergej. Well, here is our newest special guest star. Do you recognize this contraption? ;)

09-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks a lot for posting this aircraft!

I really enjoyed to make researchs
on this aircraft. It's the Yugoslavian
Aerostatoplan made by Nikolay Zhuchenko.
It wasn't successful, but it's the first tilt-wing
aircraft or Convertoplan in history.

Kind regards and best wishes!

Major Walter Schmidt
09-26-2008, 09:40 AM
looks like a Wasser P.1006 or something.. :shock:

09-26-2008, 09:44 AM
You mean Weserflug P.1003/1.

09-26-2008, 09:13 PM
My dear Mr. Sergej – as always, you are absolutely right!

You know, the suitable solution is what most man see too late, and man of genius see to soon. Mr. Nikolay Zhushchenko, forgotten and unaccepted, but truly innovative and pioneering Russian engineer belonged to the second category.

He was very well aware that one problem with aircraft is to provide a runway long enough for take-off. Several ways have been tried to make an aircraft than can leap into the air from a standing start. But his innovative mind has created a completely original solution – swiveling wings - so that the propellers point upwards. These will be able to lift the aircraft like the rotor blades of a helicopter. Then the wings will swivel back into the horizontal for level flight.

But his original idea was doomed, because his visions were unsupported by the society. His second invention - a tilt-wing aircraft called Helicoplan – was doomed due to lack of concern, shortage of money and deficiency of human spirit. But he was the first one who dicovered this solution, and that verity is capable to put him into the Pantheon of those magnificent fools with their flying machines, which were capable to bring us in the Transport age that brought the whole world within easy reach and made neighbors of all mankind.


Zhushchenko’s Helicoplan - static testings in Novi Sad, September, 1939

I feel that this task was some kind of my moral duty towards him.

Once again - my heartiest congratulations on your victory, won by the best man. I am assuring you that your continuous excellence is received with the greatest enthusiasm by your friends here and by none more than myself. Warmest congratulations. :D

And now - please proceed, my dear Mr. Sergej. Let us play the ball! ;)

09-27-2008, 05:04 PM
Thank you Librarian!
Sorry for the delayed answer.
I had a lot to do, but now I can
present my latest offer:

09-27-2008, 05:29 PM
Junkers EF 61, my dear Mr. Sergej – less known high-altitude design made by late proffesor Herbert Wagner. :)

09-27-2008, 05:53 PM
That's right!:D
Two prototypes were built,
both were lost during the testflights
and the project was cancelled.
Your turn!

09-27-2008, 08:39 PM
Good, my dear Mr. Sergej – and here we have another airborne mystery:


Major Walter Schmidt
09-27-2008, 08:46 PM
It looks like a do-17 or 217 but I dont think so..

09-28-2008, 07:20 AM
That's a Caproni Ca. 314C groundattack aircraft.

09-30-2008, 01:20 PM
Absolutely correct, my dear Mr. Sergej. Your turn again! :)

09-30-2008, 03:34 PM
So, this is my next offer:

09-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Fleet 60advanced flying trainer prototype, my dear Mr. Sergej - here is a direct link:


09-30-2008, 05:09 PM
Thats right, the only Canadian aircraft
developed and build during the war.
Your turn again, Librarian.

10-01-2008, 04:23 PM
Well, my dear Mr. Sergej, this time we do have another less known flying icon here with us. Do you recognize this flying apparatus? :)


10-01-2008, 10:45 PM
Hiya, Librarian!

Your latest offering is a Swiss Farner Werke C-36 fighter bomber introduced in 1942.


Proud son of Rose and Wes

10-02-2008, 07:51 AM
Exactly, my dear Mr. Malarz Russ – another, much more impressive snapshot is available here:


Your turn! :D

10-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Thanx, Librarian!

I'd like to pass my turn to whoever reads this and posts a good stumper! To be honest, I'm a lot better at figuring out someone else's mystery than coming up with my own. Also, you all are just too good to stump!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

10-02-2008, 05:33 PM
Ok, I'll do, but I liked your mysteries.:neutral:


10-03-2008, 02:48 AM
Hiya, Sergej!

Good selection... I'm sure one of our fellow aircraft experts will deduce what it is!

Proud son of Rose and Wes

10-04-2008, 11:02 AM
My Lord… is perhaps this photo that utterly rare snapshot of the Sovet high-altitude research airplane BOK-7 (БОК-7), a very specific modification of the ANT-36, reconstructed by Vladimir Chizhevski in 1937? :shock:

10-04-2008, 04:37 PM
Congratulation Librarian!

It's the BOK-7.

The VVS planed a non-stop round the world flight
with this aircraft. The head of this programme was
Aleksander Filin,but after Filin felt to Stalins repression
and was executed, the programme was cancelled.

Here is a direct link:

High-altitude aircrafts were the ancestors of modern spaceflight,
thats one of the reasons, why I am interessted in them.

Your well-earend turn!

10-06-2008, 07:10 PM
Thank you very much, my dear Mr. Sergej. Well, honorable ladies and gentlemen – here is my latest offering. Another mysterious contraption is directly in front of us. Therefore tell us, please, what the official designation of this machine really is. ;)


10-06-2008, 09:58 PM
That rudder made me mad!:D
Quite no other aircraft of this
time used this kind of rudder,
except the Brewster XSBA-1.

10-07-2008, 02:39 AM
As always – you are absolutely correct, my dear Mr. Sergej. However, I think that you will be a little bit surprised due to that rudder-shape in not-so-distant future… :D

10-07-2008, 09:40 AM
I mean especialy this angle:
I can't remember, seen it in this era.
Here is an other aircraft, not very
spectacular but maybe a bit tricky.

10-07-2008, 04:22 PM
It seems to me that American airplanes are very popular lately, my dear Mr. Sergej: Curtiss XP-31 Swift is your mystery plane, am I right? ;)

10-07-2008, 05:26 PM
Yes you are correct!
This is the later variant with the Curtiss V-1570 Conqueror engine.

10-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Excellent, my dear Mr. Sergej. So, here we go – another snapshot of a mystery-machine:


Could you identify this bird? :D

10-09-2008, 07:31 PM
I'm quite sure that this aircraft is the MÁVAG Héja II,
a Hungarian development of the Reggiane Re.2000.

10-10-2008, 06:09 AM
It is indeed a Reggiane / Heja.

10-10-2008, 07:34 AM
As always, you are absolutely right in your postulation, my dear Mr. Sergej. Yes, our birdy really is that almost forgotten Hungarian modification of the Reggiane Re 2000 Falco, an airplane heavily influenced by the American Seversky P-35, but also notably improved by the Italian engineers.

Yet again, another well-earned turn is now completely yours. Please, proceed! :D

10-10-2008, 08:41 AM
Thank you, Librarian.

I offer you an other very special aircraft.

10-11-2008, 03:10 AM
Is it a mail aircraft of some kind? At first I thought it was some variant of the Heinkel 70.

10-11-2008, 07:58 AM
It's not an mail aircraft and the wingspan was two times bigger then the Heinkels.

10-11-2008, 01:43 PM

SS Ouche-Vittes
10-11-2008, 02:50 PM
that's awesome! i bet it's french!

Major Walter Schmidt
10-11-2008, 06:10 PM
Its Japanese actualy, I believe its called the Koken Long-range Reserch-plane (航研・長距離飛行世界記録機) made by the Tokyo Imperial aeronautics Institute. Flew From Aomori Japan all the way to North America.

Major Walter Schmidt
10-11-2008, 06:12 PM

10-11-2008, 06:31 PM
Major Walter Schmidt got it!
It's called Koken-ki in japanese,
there more videos on youtube,
then pictures in the net.

Part I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz8RSAgSmdw)
Part II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5tCM1t_sL0&feature=related)
Part III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44IJIyZS0UA)

Your turn!:D

10-12-2008, 02:39 AM
Wow! I just LOVE learning new stuff, thanks chaps!

10-12-2008, 09:17 AM
If you are interested in aircraft you should look these threads too:

Major Walter Schmidt
10-13-2008, 03:27 PM
This good?
And no, its not the German version of the Nakajima G10N Fugaku...

Major Walter Schmidt
10-13-2008, 03:30 PM
Darn photo size limit....

10-13-2008, 05:19 PM
Excuse me, my dear Herr major, but I think that this one was already identified by you – you see, a complete type-designation is already visible… :roll:

Have another try! ;)

Major Walter Schmidt
10-17-2008, 02:11 PM
There is no such thing as the Ju490.... That was just a cover ;)

10-17-2008, 07:49 PM
Very good!;) It had to be the Focke-Wulf Fw Projekt 195.

Major Walter Schmidt
10-17-2008, 10:40 PM
Yes :D sergej goes next!!!
Might be fun to do a "What if" 4 engine version (or even 10-engine) version of the Ju390/290/90 though.

10-18-2008, 05:13 AM
Junkers planed a 8-engine aircraft but the Reichsluftfahrtministerium never give this designation.
Anyway this is the next: