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Nickdfresh
06-16-2009, 03:35 PM
Well, that would be Canada. But the only Canadian APC's I've found are wheeled, not tracked.

Not true. The Canadians had one of the first fully tracked APCs that was fabricated from obsolete M-3 Grant Tanks and "Priests" SPGs:

The "Ram Kangaroo":

http://www.jagdtiger.de/ComWealthVeh/RamKangaroo-01.jpg

navyson
06-16-2009, 03:43 PM
Hmm... I wonder what they did for the turret opening on the Ram Kangaroo, or was everyone just exposed? Although I guess the soldiers were exposed in the Bren carriers too.


Well, that would be Canada. But the only Canadian APC's I've found are wheeled, not tracked.
I should have said... "found so far"...;)

Nickdfresh
06-16-2009, 08:18 PM
Hmm... I wonder what they did for the turret opening on the Ram Kangaroo, or was everyone just exposed? Although I guess the soldiers were exposed in the Bren carriers too....

Not if they ducked! :D

Well, maybe not so much the Bren, but there was good protection in the Ram. But of course air-burst artillery or snipers were always a problem for an open top vehicle...

boyne_water
06-16-2009, 11:56 PM
I wonder if anyone could tell me if the machine gun turret on the Ram is the same as the one on the M3 Lee.

06-26-2009, 12:49 AM
I wonder if anyone could tell me if the machine gun turret on the Ram is the same as the one on the M3 Lee.

Heya, Boyne Water!

Can't find anything definative, but from study of different M3 and Ram tank photos, I'd have to say that they are pretty much the same EXCEPT the M3 machine gun turret has 2 protected vision ports at the 3 and 10 o'clock positions. The Ram aux machine gun turret appears to just be a simplified M3 turret minus the vision ports. They share same shape, mantlet, and hatch arrangement. Even the mantlet trunnion bosses appear the same.

Hope this helps...

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

06-26-2009, 12:58 AM
Hello, y'all!

Since everyone is still stumped by Librarians puzzler, let me offer some more hints:

1. There is one in the Museum of Armored Forces, Kubinka, Russia.
2. There is one in the Museo storico della Motorizzazione Militare, Rome, Italy.
3. Over 100 vehicles were sold to Yugoslavia in the late 40's, with one mounting a quad fifty in use still during the civil war.

Hopefully this will help stir everyones deductive juices!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

boyne_water
06-26-2009, 11:03 AM
Thanks very much Malarz.

07-01-2009, 07:42 PM
And now, if the ladies will please remove their hats, we are ready to begin the show…

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000145.jpg

Honorable ladies and gentlemen, our brand new armored mystery is in anticipation of your offers! :)

In recognition of Canada Day, I give to you the Snowmobile, Armoured, Canadian Mark I, also known as the Penguin or the Mudcat.

See:http://www.geocities.com/t16carrier/cdn_armd_snowmobile.html

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-06-2009, 06:47 PM
Go for it, doesn't look like many people have been here for the time that I was in Europe.

08-07-2009, 12:32 AM
Yeah, what is it? You guys go off for vacation and leave me here by myself staring at month old quiz questions! Sheesh!

Okay, here's one for you, Mr. Churchill:

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Picturesc/ka3.png

Enjoy!

And glad to have you back... it was getting lonely here!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-07-2009, 08:24 AM
Rear of a SdKfz 251 variant, and I say variant because I'm too tired to look up the actual model number.

08-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Mister Churchill!

Nope!

But you're thinking along the right lines...

It'll come to you!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

flamethrowerguy
08-08-2009, 06:40 AM
http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Picturesc/ka3.png


Late-war "Kätzchen" (kitten) prototype.

08-08-2009, 02:51 PM
Heya, y'all!

FTG, you got it! The BMM Katzchen prototype armored personnel carrier.

Here is a side view of the same vehicle:

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Picturesc/ka2.png

Your turn now, FlameThrowerGuy... give us a good one!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

flamethrowerguy
08-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Alright then, let's stick to vehicles without a turret:

3456

navyson
08-08-2009, 04:26 PM
Italian Semovente M42?

flamethrowerguy
08-09-2009, 05:10 AM
Italian Semovente M42?

Good eye here but no.
Indeed the mistery vehicle is attested a "striking resemblance" to the Italian Semoventi.
But you're on a good way, just take it a bit more east or north-eastwards on the European map.;)

08-10-2009, 12:12 AM
Hiya, FTG and Navyson!

A popular vehicle... making a return we have the Hungarian 43M Zrinyi II assault gun, based on the Turan tank.

Sorry... I cheated! :oops: It's on page 3 of this quiz! :shock:

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

flamethrowerguy
08-10-2009, 04:44 AM
Hiya, FTG and Navyson!

A popular vehicle... making a return we have the Hungarian 43M Zrinyi II assault gun, based on the Turan tank.

Sorry... I cheated! :oops: It's on page 3 of this quiz! :shock:

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Damn, I guess I'll have to check all 50+ pages of this thread from now on!
Right, of course.
You're next, Russ.

08-10-2009, 03:48 PM
Heya, FTG!

Only remembered it cause ran into the same thing... "hmmm, looks like a M42, but not quite". When you said north and east of Italy, the gears started turning!

Here's an easy one:

http://www.morozov.com.ua/images/p84-2l.jpg

Enjoy!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

boyne_water
08-10-2009, 03:51 PM
Is it a T44?

08-10-2009, 03:56 PM
Damn! Only 3 minutes! Damn!

Didn't think it would be too hard for a treadhead, but was hoping for more than 3 minutes!

Boyne Water, you got it! Specifically, one of 3 T-44 prototypes that supposedly saw action on the Eastern front before the end of the war.

Your turn now, give us a good 'un!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

boyne_water
08-10-2009, 04:00 PM
Im afraid i haven,t got the hang of getting photos on to this site.Iwould be obliged if you could carry on.thanks in advance.

08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Heya, Boyne Water!

Here is a simplified how to:

1. Browse the world wide web.
2. Find picture you like.
3. Click on it.
4. Look at "Properties".
5. Under "Properties" you will find the address for that particle picture.
6. Highlight and copy that address.
7. Paste into post using second to last tool on the "Quick Reply" screen.

Voila!

This works for me. I give you til tomorrow, if not, I post another pic.

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-24-2009, 04:42 PM
You're a few days late Malarz! Get with the program! XD

08-24-2009, 10:53 PM
D'Oh!

Sorry....

Here's an easy one:

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/photo/data/500/00293.jpg

Enjoy!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-25-2009, 03:19 PM
You really want someone to go, eh?

I'll guess... M3A1 with dual .50 Quads.

08-25-2009, 09:28 PM
You really want someone to go, eh?

I'll guess... M3A1 with dual .50 Quads.

Answer... Nope! :(

Little more in depth than that... :rolleyes:

Also read what you wrote: "dual .50 Quads". An octet? :shock:

Don't worry, you'll get it! :D

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

navyson
08-26-2009, 07:24 AM
US M4A1 Half-track? With DUAL 50 cal machine guns. :D

Churchill
08-26-2009, 03:15 PM
Also read what you wrote: "dual .50 Quads". An octet? :shock:


Hahaha, I always see things with .50 quads(in varying numbers), so I automatically wrote dual because there were two of them, not taking into account that quad is four. :mrgreen:

08-27-2009, 05:09 PM
Okay...

Its designation wouldn't be M3A1 (or M4A1) with "dual quads", it would be..... ?

navyson
08-27-2009, 07:08 PM
M15A1 AA Half-track?

08-28-2009, 03:26 AM
M15A1 AA Half-track?

Closer, but not quite.

Here's a M15 MGMC:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/M15_CGMC.jpg

navyson
08-28-2009, 04:10 PM
US M-13 AA Half-track with twin 50 cal. machine guns?
I guess if that isn't right, y'all can shoot me with those 50 cal.:mrgreen:

08-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Heya, all!

Navyson, you've got it! The M13 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage armed with 2 .50 machine guns in a Maxson M33 turret. Some were given thru lend lease to the British Army, while most were "uparmed" with 2 more .50's into M16 MGMC's.

I was hoping to lure people into confusing them with the later and much more common M16... :roll:

Bring it on, Navyson!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

navyson
08-29-2009, 07:23 AM
I'm not very good at finding obscure items yet, how about this:
3546

Churchill
08-29-2009, 10:18 AM
The Finnish Landsverk 182 Armoured Car.

The name was in the picture url mate! >_< If you want to have one where people don't look at the url, download the picture onto the computer then bring it up here as an attached document.

navyson
08-29-2009, 02:44 PM
The Finnish Landsverk 182 Armoured Car.

The name was in the picture url mate! >_< If you want to have one where people don't look at the url, download the picture onto the computer then bring it up here as an attached document.
Dang It! That's what I did, and I even previewed it!:oops: Well, you got it right :D , want to give it a go on posting a picture?
Edit: Ah....I think I know what I did, I tried to re-size larger so people could see better and maybe that caused it to show the url. Go ahead and post if you wish.

Churchill
08-29-2009, 07:09 PM
Ok... If you insist.

http://www.fototime.com/%7B467F55DF-5163-475A-AEC1-5439F5EE3314%7D/picture.JPG

08-30-2009, 02:17 AM
Heya, Churchill and all!

Your fine offering is a Marmon Herrington CTMS-1TBI. Intended for the Dutch East Indies, several were passed to US service when the islands fell to the Japanese. When test by American experts, they were found to be "thoroughly unreliable, mechanically and structurally unsound, underpowered and equipped with unsatisfactory armament"

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-30-2009, 10:41 AM
Eh, it was worth a shot, go for it mate!

08-31-2009, 12:45 AM
Heya, all!

Here ya go!

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/photo/data/500/au1.jpg

What is it?

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

navyson
08-31-2009, 08:58 AM
A mine clearing vehicle? Maybe that would get me started where to look.

flamethrowerguy
08-31-2009, 09:41 AM
Lauster-Wargel LW-5 mineclearer?

08-31-2009, 01:59 PM
Lauster-Wargel LW-5 mineclearer?

Okay... I'll give it to you!

From what I've read, the LW-5 wasn't a mine clearing vehicle but a design for a modular recovery vehicle. The two units of the vehicle are identical, with the driving position of the rear unit covered over. The concept was to hook together as many of these units as required for the recovery task.

Take it away, FTG! Give us a good one!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
08-31-2009, 03:15 PM
^That one has already been posted somewhere on this forum! I remember... I think it was in the Germany forum...

flamethrowerguy
08-31-2009, 03:54 PM
Okay... I'll give it to you!

From what I've read, the LW-5 wasn't a mine clearing vehicle but a design for a modular recovery vehicle. The two units of the vehicle are identical, with the driving position of the rear unit covered over. The concept was to hook together as many of these units as required for the recovery task.

Take it away, FTG! Give us a good one!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Oh, you're right, it wasn't a mineclearer but indeed an armored recovery vehicle. I assumed it to be a mineclearer because of its optical resemblance to the Räumer-S by Krupp.
I start digging for a new one now...

flamethrowerguy
08-31-2009, 04:23 PM
OK, what's this?

3553

flamethrowerguy
09-03-2009, 02:44 PM
Bump!

P.S. the guys on the photos are not the original owners of the vehicle.

Churchill
09-06-2009, 10:51 AM
Don't worry FTG, I'll get to it eventually, its just that homework is getting in the way... =(

navyson
09-06-2009, 07:25 PM
Romanian Vickers 6 ton tankette?

flamethrowerguy
09-07-2009, 04:32 AM
Romanian Vickers 6 ton tankette?

No sorry, btw the photo was taken in Berlin.

tom!
09-07-2009, 09:30 AM
German "Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54" or "Panzerjäger Wanze"

click me (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/articles/wanze.htm)

flamethrowerguy
09-07-2009, 09:34 AM
Richtig!
Your turn.

navyson
09-07-2009, 09:37 AM
Darn! If I'd just gone to AchtungPanzer and looked around!;)

tom!
09-07-2009, 09:58 AM
Danke.

Let´s try this one:

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/hmmmm38.jpg

flamethrowerguy
09-07-2009, 01:37 PM
I admit I don't know what it is yet but definitely the designers were not stingy with bolts...

tom!
09-17-2009, 04:34 PM
Same vehicle, different view:

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/hmmm38%202.jpg

navyson
09-17-2009, 06:27 PM
I've been looking, just haven't found it yet....:)

Churchill
09-17-2009, 06:52 PM
I'll admit I haven't been looking... Government is taking a lot of my time...

tom!
09-28-2009, 11:47 AM
Hi.

OK, here a view of the vehicle in action:

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/hmmmm38%203.jpg

tom!
10-04-2009, 08:34 AM
OK, another hint:

This vehicle was experimental only as it wasn´t good in its intended task (which can be seen on the last picture)

navyson
10-04-2009, 08:39 PM
Sorry, have been out of town, I'll still keep looking!

Nickdfresh
10-17-2009, 06:29 PM
This is from the Photo section. What is this?

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/334923-2/life_271

flamethrowerguy
10-17-2009, 06:39 PM
This is from the Photo section. What is this?

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/334923-2/life_271

Dutch Vickers Utility Tractor?

tankgeezer
10-17-2009, 06:47 PM
Tactical "good humor" man, Popsicle anyone?

Churchill
10-17-2009, 07:53 PM
OK, another hint:

This vehicle was experimental only as it wasn´t good in its intended task (which can be seen on the last picture)

Was it a mine layer?

tom!
10-18-2009, 03:21 AM
No mine layer.

Another hint:
The rivets were very common on the other armoured vehicles of this country, too...

Rising Sun*
10-18-2009, 08:39 AM
Hi.

OK, here a view of the vehicle in action:

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/hmmmm38%203.jpg

Riveted construction suggests Japan.

Vegetation suggests Pacific.

Last picture (above) suggests vehicle used to dig up ground and throw spoil to one side of the shaped plough blade.

Which all suggests a Japanese vehicle designed to dig a trench quickly, and possibly in hard ground such as found on coral atolls which is what last picture looks like it could be.

navyson
10-18-2009, 10:43 AM
I've been thinking of Japanese tanks, just haven't found a particular model that looks like it.

tom!
10-18-2009, 02:37 PM
Riveted construction suggests Japan.

Vegetation suggests Pacific.

Last picture (above) suggests vehicle used to dig up ground and throw spoil to one side of the shaped plough blade.

Which all suggests a Japanese vehicle designed to dig a trench quickly, and possibly in hard ground such as found on coral atolls which is what last picture looks like it could be.

That´s correct. It is a japanese experimental trench excavator. The first pictures showed the tank stuck in the sand on Wewak, as captured by australian troops.

It is based on what I identify as modified type 98 Chi-Ho experimental medium tank, maybe the lost (no recoprds of its fate avaliable) original prototype remodelled for the new task. The front and rear fenders, the road wheel configuration and the engine compartment are almost identical to the Chi-Ho prototype. It must have been at least developed from this tank.

But this is only my opinion. Other japanese tank experts think, that it is a complete new design.

Your turn

Yours

tom! ;)

Rising Sun*
10-20-2009, 05:46 AM
Your turn

Yours

tom! ;)

Thanks.

Marginally outside the 1918-45 parameters of this thread, but so wonderful it's worth including (and I do hope it hasn't been in this thread before as I've come in late).

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8382/wunderpanzer.jpg

flamethrowerguy
10-20-2009, 05:52 AM
You mean it's post-1945?

Rising Sun*
10-20-2009, 06:25 AM
You mean it's post-1945?

Only if it's Irish. :D

tom!
10-20-2009, 12:01 PM
Looks very british.....

Rising Sun*
10-20-2009, 09:29 PM
Looks very british.....

Correct.

But the first part of its name is French.

10-22-2009, 01:55 AM
Heya, all!

The critter in question is the Sizaire-Berwick "Wind Wagon" of 1915. Only a single vehicle was built and tested in England by the Admiralty, it was thought the extra "propulsiveness" would help it in difficult conditions during use in Africa and the Near East.

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Rising Sun*
10-22-2009, 03:45 AM
Heya, all!

The critter in question is the Sizaire-Berwick "Wind Wagon" of 1915. Only a single vehicle was built and tested in England by the Admiralty, it was thought the extra "propulsiveness" would help it in difficult conditions during use in Africa and the Near East.

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Congratulations.

You're correct.

Your turn.

10-25-2009, 01:10 AM
Heya, all!

Could someone post a question... I'm having a bit of "puzzlers block"!

Thanx!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Rising Sun*
10-25-2009, 05:02 AM
Heya, all!

Could someone post a question... I'm having a bit of "puzzlers block"!

Thanx!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Maybe you can do better with a solution to this vehicle.

Good luck!

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2683/mysteryarmouredvehicle.jpg

Rising Sun*
10-30-2009, 06:37 AM
It's named after an animal. And it's not a Tiger. Or a Ferret. Or a Stag. :D

It's on a Ford base.

Churchill
10-30-2009, 02:53 PM
I'll get around to it, its just that right now every weekend is busy.

wingsofwrath
10-31-2009, 08:31 AM
It's a bit frustrating - by looks alone I'd say "Russian", but this doesn't fit any of the vehicles I know. Some more clues, if you would be so kind?

Rising Sun*
10-31-2009, 08:54 AM
by looks alone I'd say "Russian"

The pictured vehicle and its predecessors were a bloody sight worse and vastly less effective in combat than most things the Russians managed to produce.

Then again, these vehicles never saw combat as they were entirely unsuited to it.

They were wisely declared obsolete in 1942.

Among the many deficiencies of this vehicle series was excessive weight and a tendency to fall over due to the high centre of gravity, assuming the crew wasn't poisoned first by the gases produced by firing the .303 Vickers in the early version which filled the crew cabin with gases.

wingsofwrath
10-31-2009, 09:46 AM
Hmm... I wonder... I passed over the possibility earlier, but could it be that the vehicle in question is one of the Beaverette class of improvised armored cars built in 1940 because of the impending German invasion ?

It doesn't bear much resemblance to any of the 4 "standards" used in the UK, but there is a further New Zealand produced vehicle, coincidentaly on a Ford 3/4 chassis and armed with a .303 Vickers, of which I haven't been able to find any photos.

Bearing that in mind, is the above pictured vehicle a Beaverette NZ?

Rising Sun*
10-31-2009, 10:22 AM
It doesn't bear much resemblance to any of the 4 "standards" used in the UK, but there is a further New Zealand produced vehicle, coincidentaly on a Ford 3/4 chassis and armed with a .303 Vickers, of which I haven't been able to find any photos.[/B]?

Generally we Aussies like to think we're a little superior to our Kiwi cousins, but in this case we definitely ain't.

It's an Australian vehicle.

And a very rare, and very poor, one.

wingsofwrath
10-31-2009, 10:45 AM
It was a long and arduous journey, but I got there in the end...

It's the BANDICOOT, last one of the only 18 LP-4 (Local Pattern) Armoured Cars ever built.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/tanks/bandicoot1.jpg

Original photo: (notice the very conspicuous name, insignia and Aussie flag)

Allow me to post the next mystery, hopefully an easier one - what is the real name and origin of this conspicuously German vehicle?

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1267/mysterytank1.jpg

flamethrowerguy
10-31-2009, 10:53 AM
Krupp version of German "Panzerkampfwagen Neubaufahrzeug" in Norway, 1940.

wingsofwrath
10-31-2009, 12:08 PM
Indeed it is, Mr Flamethrowerguy!

You have the board!

Rising Sun*
10-31-2009, 07:39 PM
It was a long and arduous journey, but I got there in the end...

It's the BANDICOOT, last one of the only 18 LP-4 (Local Pattern) Armoured Cars ever built.

Well done!

flamethrowerguy
11-01-2009, 02:57 AM
My offer:

3729

wingsofwrath
11-01-2009, 04:04 AM
It's an Italian Carro Veloce L3/35 (CV-35), based on the Carden-Loyd Tankette.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Carro_Leggero_3_35-002.jpg/800px-Carro_Leggero_3_35-002.jpg

flamethrowerguy
11-01-2009, 06:04 AM
Corretto! I see the German markings couldn't fool anyone.:D
Your turn.

wingsofwrath
11-01-2009, 10:43 AM
Yeah, markings don't fool anybody anymore...

I, myself tried to pass of an Italian FIAT BR.20 off in Japanese insignia as a red herring and it got piked off immediately.

Then I posted an almost unknown German tank specifically stressing the fact it was German, in the hope people would think it was something else (they did use pretty much everything they could get their hands on, after all) and miss the obvious, and that didn't work, either.

So bearing this in mind, here's the most obscure vehicle I could find on such a short notice - no fancy disinformation attempts this time, just straight up detective work required.

Ta-Dah!

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7462/lovelybucketofbolts1.jpg

PS: Mio caro Signiore Flamethrowerguy, estratto il mio piacere di ritrovare questo minusculo carro armato, molto valido in montagna nonostante le sue sue modeste dimensioni ed anche la sua corazzatura troppo leggera (a causa di quelli erava soprannominato "La scatola di sardine"), perche e uno dei miei favoriti. L'unica cosa che mia sorpreso, e il fatto che, visto il vostro nomme, avete scelto la versione L3/35 e non la versione lanciafiamme L.3/lf...

flamethrowerguy
11-01-2009, 05:12 PM
L'unica cosa che mia sorpreso, e il fatto che, visto il vostro nomme, avete scelto la versione L3/35 e non la versione lanciafiamme L.3/lf...

Sorry, no matching picture... ;):D

wingsofwrath
11-20-2009, 02:41 AM
I guess it is high time I gave some clues, in order to speed up the mystery solving process -

Despite the fact this interesting little vehicle belonged to a nation not directly involved in WW2, about 130 of them saw battle and the total production ran well into the 50s.

Also, a noted soviet engineer by the name of N. N. Alymov was responsible for the design.

wingsofwrath
12-01-2009, 08:44 AM
What can I say - I'm flummoxed by the lack of replies - can this enigma remain so daunting even after my latest clues? What can I possibly add to help without outrightly revealing the answer?
Perhaps the fact that we are talking of a country that saw a good deal of fighting on its territory and the fact that this vehicle was used by by both sides of the conflict.

Churchill
12-01-2009, 03:06 PM
I'll get to it when school isn't in my way. :)

Librarian
12-02-2009, 07:55 AM
That’s the spirit, my dear Mr. Prime Minister. ;)

In the meantime, here is another tiny clue for you: certain examples of this vehicle were equipped with 6-cylinder in-line petrol engines of American origin, which were capable to deliver astonishing 85 HP! :cool:

navyson
12-02-2009, 08:07 AM
Haven't figured it out yet, but the turret looks quite like a panzer turret, and yet it was designed by a Russian.

wingsofwrath
12-02-2009, 10:55 AM
Ah, I see you have found the answer to our little enigma, my dear Mr Librarian, but are willing to let other people try and figure it out as well.
In any case, I am convinced you would have cracked it effortlessly even without the extra clues.

@navyson: yes it does, and it's this distinctive feature that is a clue in itself as to the origin of this interesting little machine.

markdmartin
01-11-2010, 09:46 PM
I too would say, "E" with the hope that you were the bait in order to get the JS's into an ambush/pocket. Now maybe if it was a Konigstiger, there might be a better chance, IMHO.

Uyraell
02-07-2010, 02:31 AM
Ah, I see you have found the answer to our little enigma, my dear Mr Librarian, but are willing to let other people try and figure it out as well.
In any case, I am convinced you would have cracked it effortlessly even without the extra clues.

@navyson: yes it does, and it's this distinctive feature that is a clue in itself as to the origin of this interesting little machine.

**Makes the wild stab in the dark**

UNL 35, Spanish copy of Soviet FAI series.

This, after about 4 hours of searching, and 60 google pages.;):shock:

Wings of Wrath, a good question to pose, Sir. :)

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

wingsofwrath
02-18-2010, 07:50 AM
Bravo Mr. Uyraell, that is indeed the AFV pictured, and thus your turn to post.
Please excuse my tardiness in responding, but I have been very busy.

Uyraell
02-19-2010, 05:58 PM
Thank you, Mr Wingsofwrath, and herewith is my contribution.
No clue except to say it isn't as it may seem.
If I say any more than that, too much is given away.

Any delays, sir, are fully understandable and accepted. :)

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

wingsofwrath
02-20-2010, 05:05 AM
I tried to look for hidden meanings in your picture, but to me it only says "Canadian made Ford MK.2 Universal Carrier" right off the bat. The serial begining with CT is also a dead giveaway.

Uyraell
02-24-2010, 09:00 AM
I tried to look for hidden meanings in your picture, but to me it only says "Canadian made Ford MK.2 Universal Carrier" right off the bat. The serial begining with CT is also a dead giveaway.

And that is part of the point for that vehicle. It received another name entirely once it became configured as it is seen, because it became by extension part of another family of vehicles, many of whom were larger, and fiercer.

Hence my saying not all is as it appears.

The answer *is* available, though it will provoke thought to obtain.

Kind Regards Wingsofwrath, Uyraell.

wingsofwrath
02-25-2010, 03:10 AM
Hm, I see...

Indeed, closer scrutiny convinced me that I was on the right track, but had missed the right answer by a few yards - the vehicle pictured is, of course, the Wasp Mk IIC, flamethrower version of the good old MkII*, as discernible by the special gun mantlet and tank of flammable liquid just visible behind the rear bulkhead.

Serves me right for not actually paying attention past the obvious...

Thank you for this thought provoking enigma Mr Uyraell, and I hope this will be the start of a fruitful collaboration on this thread!

Uyraell
02-25-2010, 04:07 AM
You are, of course, correct, Mr Wingsofwrath. :)
The next is yours sir, with my Thanks and congratulations to you.

I don't quite have your superlative skills , but I am enjoying, and welcome this fruitful exchange and discussion. :)

Kind Regards, Mr Wingsofwrath, Uyraell.

wingsofwrath
02-25-2010, 07:13 AM
Thank you, my dear Mr Uyraell, even though overlooking vital pieces of information in a picture is hardly an indication of skill...

In any case, let us proceed with this thread, by passing onto our next mystery machine:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/716/lumpofsteelii.jpg

Uyraell
02-27-2010, 03:37 AM
Thank you, my dear Mr Uyraell, even though overlooking vital pieces of information in a picture is hardly an indication of skill...

In any case, let us proceed with this thread, by passing onto our next mystery machine:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/716/lumpofsteelii.jpg

Apologies my dear Mr. Wingsofwrath, but all I get is Error 404 on the attachment.

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

wingsofwrath
02-27-2010, 06:21 AM
hmm that's strange.... I think some of the Imageshack servers suffered a crash or something, because some of my pictures have disappeared. Anyway, here it is again:

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/716/lumpofsteelii.jpg

Uyraell
02-27-2010, 07:06 AM
hmm that's strange.... I think some of the Imageshack servers suffered a crash or something, because some of my pictures have disappeared. Anyway, here it is again:

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/716/lumpofsteelii.jpg

Many Thanks, dear Mr. Wingsofwrath.:)

I recognise our old friend mr. Tortoise.
Rolls Royce Meteor engine (derived from RR Merlin) of 600 HP; giving the vehicle a top speed of 12 mph.
Main armament was 32pdr gun, derived from the 3.7 inch anti-aircraft weapon.
Crew was 6 men.
Frontal armour was close enough to 8 inches thick.

Six vehicles were built, four of those finished post-war, and then used briefly in trials, approximately 1947.
Interestingly, at the time the Tortoise was designed, the British Army had no tank transporter vehicle capable of carrying the vehicle, so getting the beast to the front line would have been problematical to say the least.
__________________________________

In return, I herewith present a smaller curiosity, with some unusual features.


4010

Kind Regards, Mr. Wingsofwrath, Uyraell.

P.S, my comment on your skills was in regard to your gift for finding unusual war materiel and knowledge thereof: a skill I admire and respect. :)

wingsofwrath
02-27-2010, 07:33 AM
My kind Mr Uyraell, I thank you for offering me this nice example of an early T-18, the first ever tank built in the Soviet Union. As can be discerned from the photographs, it was largely influenced by the French Renalult Ft 17.

As a reply to your offer, please accept this rather curious beast:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7129/guess9.jpg

Tiger205
03-04-2010, 08:13 AM
Dear wingsofwrath!

I am new in this forum but let me dare to say: this vehicle above is an M5 3" self propelled gun (Cleveland Tractor Company (Cletrac))

Sincerely:
TGR

Tiger205
03-04-2010, 08:57 AM
I am newbie here, or not, :rolleyes: let me ask: what is this?

(and why important?)

TGR

http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73107878.jpg

Librarian
03-06-2010, 07:14 PM
Ah, das waren noch Zeiten! Good Lord - the Burstyn Motorgeschütz from 1911, envisioned, but actually never realized combat vehicle for the Imperial Austro-Hungarian army, designed by an Austrian army officer, K.u.K Genie-Oberleutenant Günther Burstyn.

Thank you, my dear Sir, for this beautiful reminiscence! And here is a tiny token of appreciation for your splendid efforts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQnbapvE1lY

Unter dem Doppeladler - Josef Franz Wagner

You know, even today I am somehow sentimental toward the good old supra-national Empire… :cry:

Uyraell
03-07-2010, 12:13 AM
I knew I'd seen the image somewhere before, but had lost the associated memory, Librarian.
Thank you for the answer Sir. :)

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

Tiger205
03-07-2010, 03:33 AM
Ah, das waren noch Zeiten! Good Lord - the Burstyn Motorgeschütz from 1911, envisioned, but actually never realized combat vehicle for the Imperial Austro-Hungarian army, designed by an Austrian army officer, K.u.K Genie-Oberleutenant Günther Burstyn.

Thank you, my dear Sir, for this beautiful reminiscence! And here is a tiny token of appreciation for your splendid efforts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQnbapvE1lY

Unter dem Doppeladler - Josef Franz Wagner

You know, even today I am somehow sentimental toward the good old supra-national Empire… :cry:

Congratulation!
You are right!
thanks for the marsch,
BUT.....
You have to consider, that the official military leadership of our "famous" empire immediatelly refused the idea of such a vehicle as "Totally stupid idea!"
(anyways, this was the first "tank" idea with one central turret, one large caliber main gun, etc.. YEARS before the monster english Mark family, the Whippet, french and german tanks....
...anyway:


It's your turn!
regards:
TGR

wingsofwrath
03-08-2010, 06:56 AM
You know, even today I am somehow sentimental toward the good old supra-national Empire… :cry:

Well, I know your feelings exactly - The god old k. und k was in many ways an interesting experiment that was ultimately failed by dissensions between its leaders rather than its various peoples (the whole debacle concerning the Austro-Hungarian Parliament during the year 1913 is at very best a hilarious example of accidental comedy) but looking down at the things built during that period that still endure in my country, I can see that being part of a great empire is always preferable to being part of a small nation...
Of course, when you think about it, that whole point might turn out to be moot after all, since we can always look at the EU as some sort of new empire in the making.

Tiger205
03-08-2010, 08:01 AM
No doubt, we still quote that period in Hungary as "the last old peace-years"
Regadrs:
TGR

Librarian
03-08-2010, 03:08 PM
Oh, my dear Mr. Uyrael – I’m glad that you are still with us here, hence the pleasure is mine! :D

And if we are so intrinsically inclined toward the Old Times, my dear gentlemen, then I have another armored representative of the Old Engineering School for you - a truly unique, dual-purpose military vehicle, actually produced in very limited numbers 3 years after our previously presented K.u.K. armored miracle, which remained in active service until late twenties:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000456.jpg

Do you recognize this armored oddity, honorable ladies and gentlemen? ;)

Tiger205
03-08-2010, 05:18 PM
Dear Mr. Librarian!

The photo is very unique!
This is the bad luck for the other nominates, that I interested the mexican war before.
And who can forget such a photo????
So this should be a mexican build armored car based on the 2-ton Mack chassis.
I do not remember rebel or govermenet forces used it???

Congratulations, this was a challange!
TGR

wingsofwrath
03-09-2010, 04:15 AM
I concur with Tiger on this one. The truck pictured was built in 1917 by the Mexican Constitutionalist Forces, and, as can be seen in the photo, it could use either road or rail, due to its double purpose wheels.

Funny thing - I had the same photo in my files as a prospective enigma, and it's a pity I suffered a blizzard induced power outage last night so that I missed it when it was first posted...

Librarian
03-09-2010, 06:58 PM
Indeed, my dear gentlemen - it is the Mack-Saurer of the Pancho Villa army, and I am really delighted to be able to work closely with the real connoisseurs of the armored weaponry. :)

However, our armored beauty was not constructed (or modified) in 1917, although aforesaid information about the nascendence of this truly unique armored vehicle indeed was presented by the renowned automotive magazine The Horseless Age, and subsequently transmitted worldwide by a well-known Hemmings:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/01/07/armored-truck-of-the-mexican-constitutionalists/

Fortunately, certain usually well informed modelists have presented even some technical drawings connected with our armored rarity, claiming that the Mack-Saurer type of the Draisine blindée mexicaine was actually converted by Mexican revolutionary forces under general José Doroteo Arango Arámbula (also known as Mr. Pancho Villa) in 1913:

http://www.colleurs-de-plastique.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32432

Nevertheless, a considerably more meticulous investigation, undertaken by prominent Mr. David R. Haugh (Armored cars – An Encyclopedia of the World’s Wheeled Fighting Vehicles, 2006) specifies that in 1912 only a lonely Autocar 4x2 Guncar was exported to Mexico, and that our Mack-Saurer actually arrived in 1914:

www.warwheels.net/images/WFVMexicoHAUGH.pdf

Well, that is a tiny clarification of this intriguing issue. And now,my dear Mr. Tiger 205 – please, amaze us again! :D

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 01:53 AM
Dear Gentlemen,

what the hell is this?

TGR

http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73242257.jpg

wingsofwrath
03-10-2010, 04:23 AM
It's a Japanese Type "SS" Armored Engineer Vehicle (http://dieselpunks.blogspot.com/2010/02/armored-engineer-vehicle.html) captured by US troops on the island of Luzon in September 1945. Unfortunately I don't know the exact model specification (probably "SS-Ki"), because this picture comes from a U.S. Intelligence Bulletin that mentions the vehicle only as "Japanese Flame Tank" (http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_fttank/index.html).

Later edit: Wow, Thank you for the extra informations regarding the Mack-Saurer, Mr Librarian! I was only familiar with the Hemmings article, so I took most of my information on the subject from there.

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 04:30 AM
It's a Japanese Type "SS" Armored Engineer Vehicle (http://dieselpunks.blogspot.com/2010/02/armored-engineer-vehicle.html) captured by US troops on the island of Luzon in September 1945. Unfortunately I don't know the exact model specification (probably "SS-Ki"), because this picture comes from a U.S. Intelligence Bulletin that mentions the vehicle only as "Japanese Flame Tank" (http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_fttank/index.html).


Dear Mr. Winfsofwrath,

I accept your answer. Indeed the hardware itself is a SOUKOU SAGYOU SS-KI . The first Japanese CEV.
UGLY, isn't it?

link:
http://japan.greyfalcon.us/Soukou%20Sagyou.htm

It's yout turn!!!

TGR

wingsofwrath
03-10-2010, 05:42 AM
Thank you for that last link, Mr Tiger!

AS my humble offer, allow me to present you with this little piece of machinery, that I hope wasn't featured on this forum before (with 59 pages of this thread, searching might be a bit problematic):

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8180/lumpofsteeliii.png

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 05:56 AM
It looks like the famour ARCHER tank destroyer basen on the Valentine-tank chassis.

TGR

wingsofwrath
03-10-2010, 05:58 AM
Ok, why do I even bother posting it as a riddle at this stage? I should just post a link to the vehicle right away... :D

Seriously now, well done! Your turn, as always.

The full name of the vehicle was SP 17pdr, Valentine, Mk I, Archer, but you certainly got it right.

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 05:59 AM
Officially:
Archer Self Propelled 17 pdr Gun
or
S-P 17pdr Valentine Mk I5

Total production fiugre: 665 pieces

TGR

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 06:16 AM
Thsi time something totally different:
TWO pictures from this armoured rarelity - maybe easy enigma (I hope not too easy)

http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73247088.jpg
http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73247089.jpg

TGR

tom!
03-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Hi.


Dear Mr. Winfsofwrath,

I accept your answer. Indeed the hardware itself is a SOUKOU SAGYOU SS-KI . The first Japanese CEV.
UGLY, isn't it?

link:
http://japan.greyfalcon.us/Soukou%20Sagyou.htm

It's yout turn!!!

TGR

The japanese designation was "So(u)ko(u) Sagyo(u)sha" which means "armoured working vehicle".

The "Ki" from "SS-Ki" would be short for "kidosha" which means "motor vehicle". And this is already included in Sagyo(u)-"sha". So SS-Ki would be "armoured working vehicle motor vehicle"....

I think this too long designation was introduced by allied interpreters who retranslated the english designation given from japanese interpreters into japanese as I never read it in japanese publications

Taki´s website - armoured worker (http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/s-s.htm)

Yours

tom! ;)

Tiger205
03-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Dear Mr. Tom!

Thanks for your comment, I do not speak Jpanase at all, all I know is the several words I have learned during my ju-jitsu excercises and reading the books like mushasi and Shogun.

regards:
TGR

Librarian
03-10-2010, 08:18 PM
Marienwagen I mit Panzeraufbau, designed by Mr. Hugo G. Bremer and manufactured in the Daimler factory at Berlin-Marienfelde back there in 1916, my dear Mr. Tiger 205.

It seems to me that you really do like those old, half-forgotten vehicles... :)

Tiger205
03-11-2010, 04:06 AM
Marienwagen I mit Panzeraufbau, designed by Mr. Hugo G. Bremer and manufactured in the Daimler factory at Berlin-Marienfelde back there in 1916, my dear Mr. Tiger 205.

WELL Done, you are good in these oldies !!! :mrgreen:


[B]
It seems to me that you really do like those old, half-forgotten vehicles... :)

"Sine praeteritis futura nulla"
Better to know the beginnings!!!!

IT IS YOUR TURN, DEAR SIR!

TGR

wingsofwrath
03-11-2010, 04:25 AM
Oh, no, I missed the Marienwagen? Damn!
I remember seeing this vehicle a long time ago on the Landships forum and thinking "that wouldn't go very far". And guess what, it proved to be a complete disaster!
Oh well... at least we can look forward to a really intriguing enigma from the part of our dear Mr Librarian. In fact, I am all atwitter with anticipation.

Tiger205
03-11-2010, 09:46 AM
I dared to open a new thread...
Please visit it, add write some comment!
I am waititng for ALL OF the comments from the experts locatad here!

Hungarian AFVs of WWII

Regards:
TGR

Librarian
03-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Oh, thank you very much, my dear gentlemen! I surely do hope that this tiny, a little bit more modern armored vehicle will be sufficiently intriguing for you and all other participants in this topic:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000556.jpg

Therefore, honorable ladies and gentlemen – start your offers! ;)

Tiger205
03-13-2010, 02:36 AM
For the moment no idea :(
for some reasons I have a feeling about spanish relations, but really no any evident for that.
I even cannot recognize the nice helmet of the commander :evil:

some help?
TGR

Librarian
03-13-2010, 03:06 AM
No problem, my dear Mr. Tiger 205. Here is the first one: our mysterious vehicle was locally produced in a single example, and based upon an American frame, manufactured by Ford Motor Co. :)

tom!
03-26-2010, 10:16 AM
Hi.

Isn´t this one of the home-made dutch KNIL armoured cars used in the Dutch East Indies?

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
03-27-2010, 05:07 AM
Yes, my dear Mr. Tom: our mysterious armored vehicle is a locally built armoured car in
Makassar operated by the Stadswacht (City Watch, police force) and advertised as the "Terror of the Fifth Column".

Yet again, another well-deserved turn for you. :)

tom!
03-27-2010, 05:59 AM
Hi.

Thanks.

OK, something not too problematic, I think

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
05-15-2010, 08:38 AM
Alas, my dear Mr. Tom, it seems to me that nobody was interested for the Sumida – Wolseley Armored Car M 1928, which was based upon the Wolseley CP truck and produced under license in Japan.

Perhaps our distinguished forum members do favor some tracked vehicles… :-?

tom!
05-15-2010, 02:49 PM
Hi.

:confused:
Oh, yes, ahm, I posted a question.... ;)


Your answer is correct.



Perhaps our distinguished forum members do favor some tracked vehicles… :-?

I feared so but had to try..... :D

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
05-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Well, in that case here it is:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000557.jpg

Hopefully, this one will be a little bit more eye catching. :)

Churchill
05-16-2010, 08:53 PM
I want one.

Nickdfresh
05-17-2010, 12:52 AM
Ha ha! :D I love tankettes but I haven't a clue. But it looks something Commonwealth...

Uyraell
05-17-2010, 07:40 AM
Reminds Me of the Martel "One Man Tankette" of circa 1928. I'm not sure more than about 12 were ever made, and the image is definitely of an early prototype rather than a production-ised vehicle. Usual Caveat applies: I might be in error in My thinking of the vehicle's ID.

Revision: given what appears to be a Schwarzlose MMG on the vehicle, I'm inclined to think it may be by Saurer of Austria, during one of that company's brief flirtations with Carden-Lloyd - Vickers - Martel vehicles and production Licences in the period 1927 through 1936.

Regards, Uyraell.

navyson
05-17-2010, 08:30 AM
I haven't a clue, but now we know what they did with all of the spare parts!

Churchill
05-17-2010, 10:12 AM
Ha, isn't that the truth. From the looks of things, the tracks could be taken off and the tankette run on it's wheels, although I have no clue what the middle one is for, perhaps running on railroad tracks?

Tiger205
05-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Both the Helmet and the MG seems familiar for me, a Hungarian...

Librarian
05-17-2010, 05:49 PM
Well, well, well… After a long period of time our thread is fulfilled with some eruptive interest for armored vehicles. Excellent, my dear Gentlemen, that’s the spirit! :)

And yes, my dear Mr. Uyrael – your second offer is almost correct. But don’t worry, here is a tiny tip for you – production of our cute little vehicle actually started in 1935. ;)

Sergej
05-18-2010, 07:52 AM
Looks to me like the Austro-Daimler ADMK:)
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/g/u/gunter_spb/Mutant_04.jpg

Librarian
05-18-2010, 07:36 PM
Oh, welcome back my dear Mr. Sergej! I am so happy to see you here again. :D
And as always, you are absolutely right: our mysterious vehicle indeed was the Austro-Daimler Motor-Karette ADMK-WARK.

And now – please proceed! Your mysteries always are an intellectual challenge for all of us. ;)

Sergej
05-19-2010, 09:18 AM
Thank you very much my friend! After a long time it's always nice to come back home. :D
Lets continue with something maritime:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1966/esch.png

Librarian
05-22-2010, 05:52 AM
Please, honorable ladies and gentlemen, submit your offers – don"t be so inhibited! After all, our special armored guess star is only a derivative of the highly popular Ameirican family of armored vehicles. :)

tom!
05-23-2010, 11:53 AM
Hi.

Looks like a clone between a US Light M24 and a japanese Type 3 amphibious Tank Ka-Chi...
I guess it´s a late war or post-war vehicle.

Yours

tom! ;)

Sergej
05-23-2010, 06:56 PM
Hi, your guesses are right, this vehicle was produced in early 1944
and the scheduled place of action was the Pacific Theatre. :)

Uyraell
05-24-2010, 02:04 PM
I'll take a small risk with the ID of the vehicle.
LVT3A.
I don't recall how many were produced, though I seem to recall the tracks and roadwheels of the M24 Chaffee light tank being used with the suspension of what was to become the M41 Walker Bulldog light tank.
Usual caveat applies: I admit I may be wrong in the ID I've given.

Regards, Uyraell.

Sergej
05-25-2010, 05:55 PM
It`s not the LTV. The suspension is quite simular to the M24 but not identical.
The design was based on an other famous vehicle which actually wasn`t a tank:)

Uyraell
06-16-2010, 08:21 AM
The only thing I can think of now, was a thing called "Rhino", which was allegedly based on the "Buffalo" amphitrack, and incorporated the parts I mentioned.
And yes, I'm most likely completely wrong, because I never saw a picture of "Rhino" and have no idea if it was ever actually built.

Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

Sergej
06-19-2010, 03:43 AM
It's not a Rhino, which I also never saw. It was a special construction for amphibious landing based on a vehicle often seen on the western front.

woj
07-24-2010, 08:11 AM
Hello everybody!
I´m new here :D
The vehicle shown by Sergej seems to be a T87 GMC " Esch Device ", an amphibian Gun Motor Carriage, based on the construction of M18 Hellcat.

leccy
07-24-2010, 11:22 AM
A little info, Russian site translated by Google

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.bestway.com.ua/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1317&ei=lA9LTL6zKpi8jAfHqZzYDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DT87%2BGMC%2B%2522%2BEsch%2BDevice%2B% 2522%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DTa2%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

texag57
07-29-2010, 12:39 PM
WELCOME TO THE SITE, WOJ. i BELIEVE YOU WILL ENJOY THE BANTER AND THE PHOTOGRAPHY. TEXAG57

texag57
07-29-2010, 12:48 PM
Woj, which city or town do you live in or near? I am in College Station, Texas. The Republic of Texas

woj
07-29-2010, 12:54 PM
Thanks texag57 :)
I´am waiting for the attestation of my answer by Sergej. And than...I would address my tank_question ;)

Sergej
07-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Welcome woj!

Excuse me for my delay. Your answer is correct!
Please proceed with our armor quiz:)

woj
07-31-2010, 02:47 AM
No problem Sergej, it´s the holliday time after all :D
Upps... I can´t post any images...

woj
07-31-2010, 02:48 AM
...so sorry guys, but I have to spam a little bit...

woj
07-31-2010, 02:54 AM
...because I need at least 5 post, to be able to address my question...

woj
07-31-2010, 02:57 AM
... and now I hope the great moment is coming :D

so name this vehicle:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z77.jpg

Damazy
07-31-2010, 01:40 PM
It looks similar to soviet tank destroyer SU-45 [СУ-45]

- 45 mm AT gun on modified T38M chassis.

woj
07-31-2010, 02:49 PM
nope, but it´s indeed the soviet one and the chassis is well recognised!

Damazy
07-31-2010, 11:42 PM
Sometimes it's called СУ-37 or even СУ-37/45 but imho it is a mistake.

As far as remember СУ-37 was on T-37 chassis.

woj
08-01-2010, 02:14 AM
The stage is yours Damazy :)
SU-37 is correct...according to my source at least ;)

Damazy
08-01-2010, 10:56 AM
All right.

Try this:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5315/zagadkams.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/zagadkams.jpg/)

jungleguerilla
08-02-2010, 12:05 AM
M3- Halftrack

Uyraell
08-03-2010, 12:56 AM
All right.

Try this:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5315/zagadkams.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/zagadkams.jpg/)

My first thought is Saracen Armoured Personnel Carrier.

The vehicle shares a common chassis with both the Alvis Stalwart Military Amphibious Truck and the Saladin Armoured Car. What distinguishes the Saracen from the other two vehicles on the same chassis is that the Saracen has the engine forward, whereas the Stalwart has it slightly mid-chassis (essentially 60% of the engine block is between the leading and middle pair of wheels, 40% is aft of the middle wheels), and the Saladin has the engine at the rear of the vehicle chassis.

All of the chassis were 6x6, meaning all wheels were driven. While the Stalwart was amphibious, the Saladin and Saracen, though moderately capable in water, were not, as far as I know, officially classed as amphibious, but rather as having more than sufficient 'fordability' : ie. They could cross fast-flowing streams and small rivers. That said, I have over the years heard tales of both Saracen and Saladin in amphibious roles.

Of minor interest is that the turret of the Saracen mounts a .303 machine-gun, originally a Browning, later an FN. The same turret was also employed on the Ferret 4x4 Armoured scoutcar, often used in the same role as it's Dingo predecessor.

Of esoteric interest is that the Saladin turret mounted a 76.2mm cannon, basically scaled-down from that carried by some models of the Sherman tank, and that Australia built a Fire-Support version of the M113 APC which used the Saladin turret, and employed this hybrid APC in the Vietnam conflict, where it is said to have served successfully.

As a child, the three vehicles with a common chassis interested me greatly, and I still have the 1960's "Matchbox Toys", diecasts by Lesney of the UK.

Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

Uyraell
08-03-2010, 08:06 AM
My second guess would be BRM 152 armoured truck/personnel carrier, as used by the Soviet army during the latter half of WW2 and into the mid 1960's.

Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

Damazy
08-03-2010, 12:05 PM
Unfortunately none of these guesses was correct.

Here you've got two more photos of this mysterious vehicle:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6616/zagadkalb.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/zagadkalb.jpg/)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1356/zagadkap.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/zagadkap.jpg/)

ced381
08-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Would it be Otter Light Reconnaissance Car?

Damazy
08-04-2010, 06:18 AM
Excellent!

This was exactly GM OTTER Mark I, Light Recce Car. Canadian 4x4 Reconnaissance Car.

srce: AFV News Vol.28 No.3, pp 2-3.

Over to Montreal :)

Regards,
Damazy

Uyraell
08-04-2010, 08:59 AM
Excellent!

This was exactly GM OTTER Mark I, Light Recce Car. Canadian 4x4 Reconnaissance Car.

srce: AFV News Vol.28 No.3, pp 2-3.

Over to Montreal :)

Regards,
Damazy

I don't in the least mind being wrong in a quiz such as this, because even if wrong, my knowledge base is extended in learning the correct answer.

Damazy: Many Thanks for your presentation of (to me) new and interesting images for this Quiz. :)

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

ced381
08-04-2010, 12:03 PM
Easy one!

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/93/66/40/t-34-810.jpg

Damazy
08-04-2010, 12:41 PM
Wouldn't be burning soviet light tank T-50 ?

ced381
08-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Yes it is my friend! I chose that specific picture because some people might think it was a T-34 because of the hull or a Panther because of the turret. Of course that person wouldn't look at the tracks. ;)

Your turn!

tankgeezer
08-04-2010, 08:11 PM
Looks like it met a Lahti in a dark alley...

ced381
08-04-2010, 10:14 PM
Looks like it met a Lahti in a dark alley...

I've never heard of a "Lahti" before. You just made me search and learn. Thanks bud!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/L39.jpg

tankgeezer
08-04-2010, 11:20 PM
Glad you enjoyed it, if the subject interests you, there are other threads dealing with anti-tank rifles. Panzerknacker did a nice one. you might also enjoy this wee video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZFs64dIFEQ

Damazy
08-08-2010, 08:18 PM
Hi,

New stuff for you guys:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/483/zagadkahr.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/zagadkahr.jpg/)

Regards,
Damazy

woj
08-09-2010, 06:46 AM
hmmm... could be an abandoned japanese Type 98 Ke-Ni light tank - rear view ?

jungleguerilla
08-09-2010, 07:06 AM
hmmm... could be an abandoned japanese Type 98 Ke-Ni light tank - rear view ?

LoL No... With those tracks that big... No. I think it's German.

woj
08-09-2010, 08:04 AM
Of course with those tracks, jungleguerilla ;-)
here as example a japanese Type 97 and its tracks ---> http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/japan/Type97-chi-ni-1.jpg

Damazy
08-09-2010, 09:36 AM
I am afraid the design of the vehicle was entirely European.

jungleguerilla
08-09-2010, 11:34 PM
Of course with those tracks, jungleguerilla ;-)
here as example a japanese Type 97 and its tracks ---> http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/j...7-chi-ni-1.jpg

Thanks for the referrence there woj. :)

But, as Damazy said:

I am afraid the design of the vehicle was entirely European.

German Pzkmfw III?

woj
08-10-2010, 03:51 AM
Damazy, you smarty-pants :D
Your photo shows the rear view of the Soviet assault gun SU-76i, based on the captured German Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf. H/J medium tanks.
About 200 units, armed with the Soviet 76,2mm F-34 or ZiS-5 gun were built.
First class puzzle :)

Damazy
08-10-2010, 07:55 AM
Absolutely fabulous Woj! Su-76i is the best possible answer. I am glad to see you enjoing the quiz, mate :)

The stage is yours :)

Source (http://www.portierramaryaire.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1550&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1845#p115088)

woj
08-11-2010, 02:04 AM
OK guys, try this: 8)

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z78.jpg

Damazy
08-11-2010, 08:24 AM
Hi,

In my opinion it's could be: Lorraine Chenillette Legere.

This light, shortened version with only two bogies on each side was produced as a infantry supply vehicle.

Regards,
Damazy

woj
08-11-2010, 08:43 AM
Yup, It´s a shorter version of the Lorraine 37L - Tank Supply Tractor.
Your turn, Damazy :)

Damazy
08-11-2010, 08:46 AM
Ok,

Here we go:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9748/zagadkatm.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/zagadkatm.jpg/)

Regards,
Damazy

Churchill
08-12-2010, 01:00 AM
Glad to see we have new blood in this topic! XD I'll try when it isn't ungodly in the morning.

woj
08-12-2010, 02:12 AM
Hi, Mr. Prime Minister :)

__________________________________________________ __________________
I believe it´s a Cunningham T1E4 Light Tank made by Rock Island Arsenal in 1932
The suspension was based on Vickers 6-Ton tank.

Damazy
08-12-2010, 09:49 AM
Well done, Woj.

In the picture from my previous post there is an american T1E4 tank.

Regards,
Damazy

Source (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/UnitedStates/lighttanks/LightTanks.html)

_____________________

Nice to meet you Churchill, hope you will find here some new challenges.

Churchill
08-12-2010, 09:59 AM
Hi Woj and Damazy, welcome here.

Keep posting here, this topic has been dead for too long! :(

woj
08-13-2010, 12:40 AM
Well,
Here it is:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z92.jpg

Damazy
08-16-2010, 10:03 PM
Hi,

Finally got it! :)

ST-III Fahrschule - Lehrpanzer based on Hetzer chassis.

Regards,
Damazy

woj
08-17-2010, 01:47 AM
Very Good, Damazy, applause :)

The ball´s in your court

jungleguerilla
08-17-2010, 03:08 AM
Is it me or is just 2 Polish Soldiers just get the stage burning on? ;)

woj
08-17-2010, 09:01 AM
Hi jungleguerilla, you´re right - unfortunately ;)
we are just two simple, decent but brave Polish soldiers :)

jungleguerilla
08-17-2010, 08:05 PM
Hi jungleguerilla, you´re right - unfortunately ;)
we are just two simple, decent but brave Polish soldiers :D

Don't worry, someday I'll invade your homeland all the way to Warsaw. Haha! Just keep up the good work you two Poles.

Damazy
08-18-2010, 06:05 AM
All right guys.

Voila, completely new stuff:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/550/zagadkazr.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/zagadkazr.jpg/)

Regards,
Damazy

jungleguerilla
08-18-2010, 07:49 PM
Is it a Geschutzwagen H-39 Self-Propelled Gun?

tankgeezer
08-18-2010, 08:10 PM
Could be,,,, but all of the other equipment is British.

Damazy
08-18-2010, 09:45 PM
Is it a Geschutzwagen H-39 Self-Propelled Gun?

No, it's not.

Regards,
Damazy

jungleguerilla
08-18-2010, 09:52 PM
QF 25-pdr Mk 1 Bishop?

Damazy
08-18-2010, 10:04 PM
Nope.

You were much closer first time, mate ;)

ced381
08-18-2010, 10:20 PM
Wow that's a difficult one!

woj
08-19-2010, 12:12 AM
They are probably two Matildas, the Crusader tank and the Staghound armored car...
and of course... 15 cm sFH13/1 (Sf) auf Geschützwagen Lorraine Schlepper (f)

nice photo :) taken in North Africa?

Uyraell
08-19-2010, 12:34 AM
Marder I auf Lorraine Schlepper, PaK 40/1.

That's my thought on the vehicle in the foreground of the picture.

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

PS: if I'm right, Woj can have the next placement of picture: I'm short on time and resources to come back to this quiz very soon, shifting house is a rough job.

jungleguerilla
08-19-2010, 03:45 AM
They are probably two Matildas, the Crusader tank and the Staghound armored car...
and of course... 15 cm sFH13/1 (Sf) auf Geschützwagen Lorraine Schlepper (f)


Marder I auf Lorraine Schlepper, PaK 40/1

Who are you guys, Fortune Tellers? C'mon, wait for the kid (Me) to search the web here. You two were awesome!

Uyraell
08-19-2010, 11:26 PM
Who are you guys, Fortune Tellers? C'mon, wait for the kid (Me) to search the web here. You two were awesome!

:D
Books are useful, for research. I have a few that are not yet in storage, which is why I was able to suggest the vehicle ID so quickly.

In fact Woj is likely more correct than I. The Lorraine Schlepper had an armoured compartment in the rear of the vehicle, into which was fitted either the artillery gun as suggested by Woj, or the antitank gun as I suggested.
The compartment is the same in each case: it is only the gun and relevant fittings such as shell stowage racks that differ.

Which made the vehicle easy to identify, because that particular conversion, relocating the engine to the center of the chassis, and building the armoured compartment in the rear of the chassis, was reasonably common on several dozen Lorraine Schleppers.

Once that is known, then identifying the compartment usually leads to identifying the vehicle itself.

Kind Regards, Uyraell.

Damazy
08-23-2010, 10:33 PM
They are probably two Matildas, the Crusader tank and the Staghound armored car...
and of course... 15 cm sFH13/1 (Sf) auf Geschützwagen Lorraine Schlepper (f)

nice photo :) taken in North Africa?

Brilliant!

Sorry for late confirmation. Had some troubles with my PC hardware and unfortunately lost all my files...

Regards,
still in game... Damazy

woj
08-24-2010, 04:59 AM
Marvellous photo Damazy, I hope you´ll restore your files soon!

The new stuff for you, guys :)

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z63.jpg

Damazy
08-24-2010, 12:01 PM
Looks a bit similiar to Japanese Armored Personnel Carrier Type 1 Ho-Ha.

woj
08-24-2010, 01:14 PM
Yes Mate, it is! :)
Your turn

Damazy
08-24-2010, 10:16 PM
Here we go:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9532/newbitmapimages.png (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/newbitmapimages.png/)

woj
08-25-2010, 11:36 AM
An Italian one.
I would suggest, it is an armored car: Autoblinda AS43 from Gruppo Corazzato "Leonessa".

Damazy
08-25-2010, 11:56 AM
Yes indeed!

Stage is yours, Woj.

woj
08-26-2010, 03:50 AM
ok, try this:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z122.jpg

Uyraell
08-26-2010, 05:51 PM
ok, try this:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z122.jpg

LT35 as LehrPanzer, is my guess.
Basis for my thought is that several dozen LT35's were converted variously as Morsertraeger, Munitionspanzer, or Lehrpanzer.
The bow machinegun and the visible components of the suspension system suggest LT35.

Damazy, I hope your computer troubles have been resolved.
If I'm correct with my guess, you may post a new riddle, as I'm still packing my gear to shift house.

Kind and Respectful Regards Gentlemen, Uyraell.

woj
08-27-2010, 03:33 AM
You're right Uyraell, it's indeed a Czechoslovakian vehicle, but it is no one based on LT-35 ;-)

Damazy
08-27-2010, 08:55 AM
Hi all,

Think it would be one of the Skoda's tanks. It was named SET - Skoda
Electricky Tank. I've noticed that some of the sources wrongly describe
this vehicle as a SOT Skoda Obojzivelny Tank.


Damazy, I hope your computer troubles have been
resolved.
If I'm correct with my guess, you may post a new riddle, as I'm still
packing my gear to shift house.

Hope as well I won't have any more troubles with PC - just fingers
crossed :-) The hardware was the real problem but before tech guys fixed it two
days earlier I had been told to reinstall Windows system, so I had...
There was no chance to copy all my files before setting up the system again,
but... It shouldn't be a big problem now. There are plenty internet
sources everywhere to improve konwledge about the WW2 stuff.

Anyway I'll do my best and thank you for your concern, mate.

Regards,
Damazy

woj
08-27-2010, 09:46 AM
Correct, It is Czechoslovakian experimental light tank with electric engine.
Your stage, Damazy :)

Uyraell
08-27-2010, 05:31 PM
Hi all,

Think it would be one of the Skoda's tanks. It was named SET - Skoda
Electricky Tank. I've noticed that some of the sources wrongly describe
this vehicle as a SOT Skoda Obojzivelny Tank.



Hope as well I won't have any more troubles with PC - just fingers
crossed :-) The hardware was the real problem but before tech guys fixed it two
days earlier I had been told to reinstall Windows system, so I had...
There was no chance to copy all my files before setting up the system again,
but... It shouldn't be a big problem now. There are plenty internet
sources everywhere to improve konwledge about the WW2 stuff.

Anyway I'll do my best and thank you for your concern, mate.

Regards,
Damazy

You're more than welcome, Damazy, my friend :)
I know what computer issues do to my sense of harmony...
"Blue Language" isn't in it, so to speak....

Kind and Respectful Regards mate, Uyraell.

Uyraell
08-27-2010, 05:33 PM
Woj, Thank you my friend for such an interesting series of questions, I've greatly enjoyed seeing them when time has permitted.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friend, Uyraell.

Damazy
08-28-2010, 01:25 PM
All right.

New stuff especially for you guys:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4111/zagadkax.png (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/zagadkax.png/)

Uyraell
08-28-2010, 08:33 PM
Best Guess, Turan 1 prototype.
Interesting viewpoint in pic.

Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

woj
08-29-2010, 03:00 AM
Hi Uyraell, mate - we try to do our best :)
It's very nice, that you participate in the quiz.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____-
I would say, we have here a very interesting photo of the well known Czechoslovakian light tank Skoda LT38

Damazy
08-31-2010, 05:47 AM
Unfortunately neither of the answers is correct.

Woj was much closer because this is an example of the Skoda light tanks family, but which one?

Uyraell
08-31-2010, 06:31 AM
Next best guess : LT 35 Protoype.
LT38 had a flat turret roof, the early LT35 had a sloped turret roof, iIrc.

Regarding the Electric-engined tank, earlier. Small question, but wasn't that chassis modified from an LT35 originally?

Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

woj
08-31-2010, 06:39 AM
...because it is in fact the Slovakian light tank Skoda vz.40. Originally based on LT-38, an export version of this tank for Latvia.
The main optical difference to LT-38 was the turret shape.
You led me up the garden path, mate. I was right, Damazy, when I said you´re a fox :D

But look at the number plate of this Slovakian LT-38 and compare it with the number plate from Damazy´s photo :-o


http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1933/pict5327qp3.jpg

tom!
08-31-2010, 06:48 AM
Hi.

The pic is a nice find.

Yours

tom!

Damazy
09-01-2010, 06:42 AM
Hi,

Woj, You are absolutely right, this is Praga LT40 planned for Latvia but used by Slovakia.


But look at the number plate of this Slovakian LT-38 and compare it with the number plate from Damazy´s photo :-o
Because this is actually one of the Slovakian LT-40s.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9960/lt40.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/lt40.jpg/)
Srce: Vladimir Francev, Exportni Lehke Tanky Praga. Export Light Tanks Tanque 39, Pzw 39, Lt-40. Praga 2007, pp 46-47.


Regarding the Electric-engined tank, earlier. Small question, but wasn't that chassis modified from an LT35 originally?
Honestly, I'm not quite sure. I'll have a look - just give me more time.

@tom!
There is one more quiz waiting for you.

Regards,
Damazy

woj
09-01-2010, 07:23 AM
[QUOTE=Uyraell;171195]Regarding the Electric-engined tank, earlier. Small question, but wasn't that chassis modified from an LT35 originally?[QUOTE]

I´m not sure too, but I suggest that the Skoda SET was a plumb new experimental chassis development.


Time for my question:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/z125.jpg

Damazy
09-01-2010, 08:21 AM
Think it can be an Italian Carro Armato P 40 or Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i) what is even more correct because of German markings.