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Churchill
09-06-2008, 10:19 PM
A fantasy FT-17.

Still have to get Sergej's though...

Sergej
09-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Ok, that become boring.
If anyone want to post a new one,
feel free.

Churchill
09-11-2008, 07:29 PM
Go ahead. Just make it easier. ;)

ww11freak34
09-11-2008, 07:42 PM
if there were germans behind i would i would pick c and if there werew no germans behind i would chose e and how much ts-1and 2s would there be

Sergej
09-11-2008, 08:13 PM
if there were germans behind i would i would pick c and if there werew no germans behind i would chose e and how much ts-1and 2s would there be:confused: I'm confused.
This is easier:

the_librarian
09-11-2008, 09:43 PM
I just found this thread....how do I start?????

AirdefMike
09-12-2008, 11:27 AM
:confused: I'm confused.
This is easier:


That is the Finnish BT-42 Light Assault Gun converted from captured Soviet BT-7 tanks.

The Finnish swastika kinda reveals it quite quickly.

Sergej
09-12-2008, 03:28 PM
Yes, you're right!
Please carry on.

Churchill
09-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Sergej, I think this thread has been forgotten. Why don't you go ahead?

Sergej
09-18-2008, 01:50 PM
Ok, this one is easy. What is the most strange in this photo?

Major Walter Schmidt
09-18-2008, 03:24 PM
Panzerkampfwagen 8 Maus

Sergej
09-18-2008, 03:58 PM
Correct!
I attached an other photo from same event.
Your turn!

Major Walter Schmidt
09-24-2008, 12:08 AM
Its the house-on-tracks!!!

09-24-2008, 03:02 AM
Hiya, Major Schmidt!

Thats an easy one... a Sherman DD!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
09-24-2008, 03:11 PM
So go ahead and post another pic! :D

Major Walter Schmidt
09-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Yay! Russ is correct! I was in a hurry at that time... as if you guys will believe me..:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Churchill
09-24-2008, 09:20 PM
I believe you... You may not believe me though.

09-25-2008, 03:29 AM
Hello, y'all!

Go ahead Major Schmidt, take your time and post another one...

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Major Walter Schmidt
09-25-2008, 08:31 AM
Hey, churchill, you do it.

Churchill
09-27-2008, 09:17 AM
Yeah, but I can never get really good ones. Anyway, I'm busy this weekend, so Walter, I believe it's up to you(or anybody else who wishes to have a go at it). Librarian should post one.

Panther F
09-27-2008, 03:55 PM
Oh, come on Churchy ... you can do it! :rolleyes:

Major Walter Schmidt
09-27-2008, 07:08 PM
Yeah, but I can never get really good ones. Anyway, I'm busy this weekend, so Walter, I believe it's up to you(or anybody else who wishes to have a go at it). Librarian should post one.

Good idea, libby, you do it.

Librarian
09-27-2008, 08:34 PM
Wery well, gentlemen. Tell me, please - what is this?

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/0004.jpg

Major Walter Schmidt
09-27-2008, 08:36 PM
its the KFZ.13.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-27-2008, 08:37 PM
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/aa/adlerPzwagenRW-3160_X.jpg

Librarian
09-27-2008, 08:38 PM
Two minutes? Well, that’s certainly is a new record, my dear Herr Major! My sincerest congratulations! :D

Please - proceed.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-27-2008, 08:45 PM
Hmm.....
this good?

tom!
09-28-2008, 05:27 AM
left:
A japanese type 98 railroad car

right :
A japanese type 91 armoured railroad car, not to be mixed uo with the very similar Chiyoda armoured car (also known as Aikoku armoured car)


Both could be used on railway tracks and roads.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-28-2008, 05:32 PM
You are correct!

tom!
09-29-2008, 11:39 AM
Hi.

Something more difficult, I hope:

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=3368

Yours

tom! ;)

09-30-2008, 12:03 AM
Hiya. Tom!

Good choice... your selection is the Danish Forsoegs Panser number 1, also known as the FP-1. An experimental armored truck dating from 1931, it was basically a commercial truck fitted with an armored body. It and FP-2 served up until WWII.

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
09-30-2008, 03:18 PM
Yeah, you can see by the running boards that it was a converted truck.

tom!
10-01-2008, 11:53 AM
Again too easy (as I feared... :D)

Your turn

10-01-2008, 10:47 PM
Hello, Tom!

I would like to pass my turn to Churchill...

Churchill, puzzle us!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
10-02-2008, 03:25 PM
No darn it! I don't want a turn! But since you obviously won't let me rest about this, here:

Librarian
10-02-2008, 03:48 PM
Modification of a Soviet tractor, known as KhTZ 16, my dear Mr. Prime Minister? Here is a direct link:

http://www.ww2f.com/weapons-wwii/22538-soviet-odessa-tank.html

Librarian
10-02-2008, 03:54 PM
The only problem is that the factual Soviet designation is NI - 1 "На испуг" (НИ-1). Here it is:

http://www.kubinka-tank-inform.ru/ni01.htm

Churchill
10-02-2008, 05:16 PM
Yeah... I can't hide things from you, Librarian... Have fun.

Librarian
10-04-2008, 10:06 AM
Thank you, my dear Mr. Prime Minister. I hope that our next task will be funny for you as well! So, here it is. Therefore please - take a good look and tell us what was the oficial designation of this armored vehicle? ;)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/00055.jpg

tom!
10-04-2008, 01:44 PM
Hi.

My guess:

Automitrailleuse de Cavalerie type Reconnaissance Renault modèle 1933 (AMR 33) prototype No. 79758 with the improved suspension tested in April 1933

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
10-06-2008, 07:07 PM
Absolutely correct and very detailed answer, my dear Mr. Tom! It is a clear indication of your truly professional expertise in this specific field and your first-grade knowledge, always wholeheartedly and unconditionally shared with your colleagues dispersed worldwide.

I want to thank you for the all of the effort you are putting into dissemination of the first-rate materials, as well as for sharing your precious resources and assistance all along the way. I am assuring you that we realy do appreciate your support to our community.

And now, my dear Sir – please, take your turn! :D

tom!
10-07-2008, 01:43 PM
Hi.

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/images/smilies/hae_wie_jetzt.png


A nice one:

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=3555

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
10-07-2008, 04:21 PM
Oh, what a pleasant surprise - another Czechoslovakian rarity, prototype of the Škoda Š-III, my dear Mr. Tom. Here you have a direct link:

http://utocnavozba.wz.cz/foto/siii-1.jpg

Thank you! :D

tom!
10-08-2008, 11:58 AM
Again too easy...
:twisted:

Your turn

10-08-2008, 07:24 PM
Heya, Tom!

I know how you feel... I'd post something that I thought would be a real "stumper" either here or in the Airplanes Quiz and someone would come back with an answer in about 9 minutes... probably wasn't such a stumper! There's some pretty sharp characters that lurk around here, makes it more challenging!

Russ
Soon-to-be AIRMAN
Proud son of Rose and Wes

tom!
10-09-2008, 11:21 AM
That´s not a real problem.

It just leads to something higher than a medium level quiz....

Next times I´ll choose real hard ones :mrgreen:

Librarian
10-09-2008, 05:24 PM
Well, in that case perhaps this one will be a little bit trickier, my dear gentlemen:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/0001.jpg

Do you recognize this… pretty rare contraption? ;)

tom!
10-10-2008, 07:45 AM
Hm, maybe the hungarian experimental 75 mm tank hunter based on the Toldi light tank?

Librarian
10-11-2008, 07:12 PM
Correct, my dear Mr. Tom – official designation of this vehicle was 75 mm-es Önjáró páncéltörő löveg M 38, built in February of 1944 upon M 38 Toldi chassis. Here you have a slightly better snapshot:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/00031.jpg

Your turn again, my dear Sir! :D

Churchill
10-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Not cool Librarian... Showing the back of things... ;)

Librarian
10-11-2008, 08:22 PM
Oh, so sorry my dear Mr. Prime Minister – but everything is utterly intellectually undemanding when those national markings are right there in front of us. That spirit of a true, tricky mistery in that case is completely absent. :)

BTW: diverse perspectives – if honestly presented! – are always intriguing.;)

Churchill
10-11-2008, 10:57 PM
Eh, we'll see when Tom! posts his. Then we'll see whose laughing... :)

tom!
10-12-2008, 04:20 AM
OK, let´s take another rear view

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=3633

Churchill
10-12-2008, 10:17 AM
I'll say an R-35 missing a track protector, an exhaust pipe, and the spare road wheel on the back, but I'm probably wrong.

tom!
10-12-2008, 10:43 AM
No, it´s a serial production vehicle without missing parts except the number plate.

Churchill
10-12-2008, 11:14 AM
It was worth a shot... :)

10-12-2008, 05:00 PM
Hiya, Tom!

I'd like to offer that your submission is a Japanese 75mm self-propelled howitzer on a "Chi-Nu" medium tank chassis.

Russ
Soon-to-be AIRMAN
Proud son of Rose and Wes

tom!
10-13-2008, 12:02 PM
Near miss. :mrgreen:

Librarian
10-13-2008, 01:25 PM
Well then... perhaps our special guest star is Experimental Tank Type 2 HO-I, my dear Mr. Tom?

tom!
10-13-2008, 01:41 PM
More or less correct.

The tank was not experimental. He was officially adopted in 1942 under the designation type 2 gun tank Ho-I but with the revolving turret it was more a CS-tank than a SPG.

It was armed with a type 99 75 mm tank gun (a modified type 95 75 mm field gun) in a remodelled Shinhoto-type turret. The prototype was based on the type 97 Chi-Ha but the serial production vehicles were built using the Type 1 medium tank Chi-He chassis and superstructure. A total of 30 vehicles were built and assigned to the 4th tank division.

Your turn.

Librarian
10-13-2008, 05:16 PM
Thank you very much, my dear Mr. Tom. And now, honorable ladies and gentlemen – back to the wheels again! Tell me please, what was the official designation of this completely forgotten contraption? :)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000055.jpg

Sergej
10-13-2008, 06:51 PM
I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's the rear part of the Alvis Straussler Armoured Car.

Librarian
10-14-2008, 08:35 AM
Very good observation, my dear Mr. Sergej – our mystery vehicle was the very first prototype of the Alvis Straussler LAC-1, ordered by British Government and manufactured in 1938 back there in the Csepel factory (Budapest, Hungary). It was refused by British armed forces, but almost accepted for service within the Royal Hungarian Army.

My sincerest congratulations! You have your well-deserved turn again.:D

Sergej
10-14-2008, 10:27 AM
Thank you Librarian.

Here is my offer. It looks like a mixture of three different vehicles,
but it shouldn't make to many problems to solve this.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1323/346415kx0.jpg

Librarian
10-14-2008, 11:17 AM
Oh, what a nice snapshot of that cute Romanian R-1 light tank! :)

It was a wonderful little runner based upon the CKD AH – IV. Here you have another nice snapshot:

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=50&section=19&article=235

Churchill
10-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Hey Librarian and others, where do you find your info on these tanks? I hope you don't do it all be Googling things...

Sergej
10-14-2008, 04:18 PM
Correct as always Librarian!
If you don't have any idea about a quest,
like me abouit the 75 mm-es Önjáró páncéltörő löveg M 38,
you should use google. If you has any known parts like the
chassis, you can look on serval sites espacialy for the coutrys
and maybe for exported or captured and converted machines.
That's my way to find something, but I would like to know how
other people solve it.
And yes, it's your turn Librarian.

Churchill
10-14-2008, 04:46 PM
I have no clue about anything on any of these. I'm just going by looks, and you guys know all the specs and everything... This is like fighting a guy with a Tiger using a Colt... This is kind of fun.

Librarian
10-15-2008, 08:25 AM
Thank you, my dear Mr. Sergej. In the very same time, I have to admit that my methods are the very same as yours. You see, my dear Mr. Prime Minister, different armored vehicles are usually manufactured by implementation of some standardized components, distinctly unique in their appearance. For example, numerous Czechoslovakian constructions used relatively large, rubber-rims riveted roadwheels with 32 rivets – not spoked wheels, monoblock wheels or perforated wheels. Look at every authentic ČKD construction (TNHP, TNHB, TNHS) and you will be able to see that riveted wheels are representing one completely clearly visible common denominator of the Czechoslovakian tank industry.

And that is only the beginning of every meticulous, but in the very same time almost automatically conducted visual examination. With a litlle bit of patience, and with a fraction of circumspection you will be able to identify almost every armored vehicle produced on this planet. :)

Here you have another completely clear snapshot (almost a portraiture-quality one!) of a less-known vehicle, which used completely standardized, already available, utterly distinctive mechanical components. Concentrate on the chassis, suspension, wheels and cannon. I am assuring you that the proper answer will be in your possession very soon!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/00011.jpg

Churchill
10-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Hah, all that sounds good Librarian, but I don't know any parts used in most of these things, and I certainly don't know about what was produced where.

Librarian
10-15-2008, 04:23 PM
No problem at all, my dear Mr. Prime Minister – please, be a little bit more patient and just compare all those vital things - you will be able to reach your success. :)

For example, this armored vehicle evidently has not those large single road wheels, but it has the suspension with two axles, each of which carries a four bogie-wheels interconnected with a leaf springs and levers, as well as four top rollers. Obviously, this is neither German nor French construction… ;)

Churchill
10-15-2008, 05:00 PM
It isn't German? O.O'

navyson
10-15-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm glad you all are giving some info on finding these vehicles. I'm with Churchill on having a hard time looking for things. But it's been fun to read and look for the postings.

navyson
10-21-2008, 09:34 AM
Bump, someone want to get started again? (Someone except me):D

Sergej
10-21-2008, 10:49 AM
That's really tricky, in the first it's something familar, but on the second look:
It's not a Semovente, not a Vickers not a Japanese or Czech or Hungarian.
I suspect the British, but I need a hint:roll:

Churchill
10-21-2008, 03:25 PM
A Czech Marder with pierced armour design... There... I guessed. :D

Librarian
10-24-2008, 09:09 AM
So sorry for my protracted silence, honorable ladies and gentlemen! Unfortunately, I was beleaguered with my current professional obligations at the International Book Fair in Belgrade, but I think that very soon I will be able to serve you in full capacity.

And no, my dear Mr. Prime Minister – this is not a Czechoslovakian vehicle. However, I am taking the liberty to draw your attention to an almost incredible, but very important fact: this vehicle has the engine compartment at the front of the chassis! ;)

Churchill
10-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Israeli.

1917
10-24-2008, 11:58 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/IS3.jpg

have at it

Churchill
10-25-2008, 09:35 AM
JS-3.

The other one seems Israeli to me...

Librarian
10-25-2008, 04:49 PM
Israeli self-propelled gun, produced in the WW2? :shock:

Alas, my dear Mr. Prime Minister, that kind of a… rarity is completely out of this world. :roll:

Churchill
10-25-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm just saying things...

Italian 90/53 Self-Propelled Gun.

kamehouse
10-26-2008, 05:39 AM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/00011.jpg

Could it be one of the many Waffenträger prototypes?

Panther F
10-26-2008, 10:03 AM
JS-3.



Actually it's an IS-3.

flamethrowerguy
10-26-2008, 10:12 AM
Actually it's an IS-3.

If you want to be that exact it would be ИС-3. Both designation are used in western countries: IS = Iosif Stalin, JS = Joseph Stalin.;)

Panther F
10-26-2008, 01:10 PM
if you want to be that exact it would be ИС-3. Both designation are used in western countries: Is = iosif stalin, js = joseph stalin.;)

lol ;)

Librarian
10-27-2008, 07:06 PM
Italian 90/53 Self-Propelled Gun.

You mean Semovente 90/53, my dear Mr. Prime Minister? Well, this proposal of yours surely is a significant improvement in your analytic approach, however, your suggestion is still suffering from a deliberation fatigue.

First of all, our cannon evidently has a double-baffled muzzle brake, whereas Italian solution is not equipped with this recoil-reducing device. Furthermore, Italian vehicle has only three top rollers, whereas our mystery machine has four rollers beneath the track. However, I have to admit that this suggestion of yours is much more suitable than that previously mentioned one. Please – carry on! You are obviously on the right track. :D


Could it be one of the many Waffenträger prototypes?

No, my dear Mr. Kamehouse. Our vehicle is not connected with Germany. ;)

tom!
10-29-2008, 12:41 PM
Hm....

Sorry, no idea.

Can you give a hint, please?

Librarian
10-29-2008, 03:34 PM
Of course, my dear Mr. Tom: our machine was equipped with the 3.2 liters, one-piece-casted L-head petrol V 8 engine produced by Ford and capable to set free astonishing 85 HP! :)

Sergej
10-29-2008, 05:21 PM
This is an Cañón Autopropulsado de 75/40 мм. "Verdaja".

Librarian
10-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Exactly, my dear Mr. Sergej - Pieza Artillería autopropulsada de 75/40 mm Verdeja-I.

Bravo! :D

Sergej
10-29-2008, 06:50 PM
That was a long search.

My offer: Yes the chassis is well-known
but what is the strange stuff on it?;)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4060/ft17xc2.jpg

Churchill
10-29-2008, 07:04 PM
Maybe a poison gas attack tank. The cones have lights in them, and the long tubes have a poison gas in them, to be detonated behind enemy lines... ;)

Sergej
10-29-2008, 07:09 PM
Very good!:D

The gas isn't poisonous but you are definitely on the right track.

Churchill
10-29-2008, 07:37 PM
I... I am??? I was just joking... How about those tanks on the sides are full of liquid. And the cones... I have no clue...

Major Walter Schmidt
10-29-2008, 08:52 PM
Maybe its a hydogen-Peroxide run tank :mrgreen:.

Id bet its natural gas. Or maybe its a torpedo FT-17, who knows :mrgreen:

Librarian
10-30-2008, 09:30 AM
Oh, my goodness: Polish smokescreen-generator variant of the Renault FT 17, developed and tested in 1926, and equipped with two cylinders with ammonium chloride! :shock:

Here is another snapshot of this machine:

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/5248/polftsmoke5ir.jpg

Major Walter Schmidt
10-30-2008, 09:41 AM
LOL :mrgreen: the Ninja tank :mrgreen:mrgreen:

Sergej
10-30-2008, 09:57 AM
Correct Librarian!

Many projects of this time were surprisingly advanced,
just remember Teletanks or the Christie tanks of the
late '20, early '30.

Your turn!;)

Librarian
10-30-2008, 03:04 PM
Completely agreed, my dear Mr. Sergej. And that’s exectly why we have here our new, very special armored rarity:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/005.jpg

As usually, accurate identification of the type will be your assignment. :)

Churchill
10-30-2008, 03:35 PM
It was probably an amphibious tank, Russian maybe, with two turrets, probably holding machine guns, or a 37mm AT gun.

I have no clue. :mrgreen:

Librarian
10-30-2008, 05:04 PM
Perfect evaluation, my der Mr. Prime Minister! Bravo! Therefore please – check all those Soviet tank designations and pick the right one. That hard-earned triumph will be completely yours! :D

Major Walter Schmidt
10-30-2008, 05:15 PM
T-38?
T-28?(or was it T-27?)

Librarian
10-31-2008, 09:31 AM
Alas, my dear Herr Major, the answer is – no. Nevertheless, you are close enough! :)

Sergej
10-31-2008, 10:44 AM
That's one of innumerable variants of the T-26.
It's an amphibious T-26 M1931 with foldable
pontoons, which were stored in front and behind
the turrets. I don't know if the RKKA had an designation
for this tank, maybe ПТ-26...;)

Librarian
10-31-2008, 11:17 AM
As always – direct hit! Yes, my dear Mr. Sergej – Легкий плавающий танк Т 26 was our armored guest star. Sincerest congratulations! :D

Please – carry on! ;)

Sergej
10-31-2008, 11:59 AM
Thank you Librarian!

The T-26 is an amazing flexible tank, bridgelayers flamethrowers
and many selfpropelled guns were based on it. The 6-ton was
a truly successful design, in service from Bolivia to Thailand.

However, here is an other light Weight:
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3167/94848875ua0.jpg

Churchill
10-31-2008, 03:16 PM
That looks like a fortress! It's massive!

It must be pre-WWII, because of the rivets, and again, 37mm guns, and a heavy and medium machine guns in the hull. Maybe some other machine guns in the sponsons in the turret.

Again, I'm just guessing...

Librarian
11-01-2008, 05:06 PM
And you are pretty good in your deductive reasoning, my dear Mr. Prime Minister. The only thing you need is just a little bit more self-confidence. ;)

Our mystery machine is the US Marmon Herrington CTMS-ITBI tank.

Sergej
11-01-2008, 05:37 PM
Quite right Librarian, but this one had a four-men crew.;)

Librarian
11-01-2008, 05:55 PM
Oh, I see... well in that case our darling is the Marmon Herrington HMTLS-1GI4"Virgie". :D

Sergej
11-01-2008, 06:04 PM
That's correct!

This tank was really massive but not due the armor or the wheight.
The armament consists of two 37mm guns (M6 I think), 4 machine guns
(three in the hull one on the turret side) and two mounts for anit-aircraft
machine guns(.50 cal.). but the tiny tank on it's left, the M22 Locust was
even heavier (in wheight).

Your turn Librarian, but where did you got this H in (H)MTLS-1GI4?

Librarian
11-01-2008, 06:45 PM
Oh, that was only my subconscious addition for "Holland" - as for the whole of the Netherlands - since that vehicle actually also was known as "Dutch four man tank". :)

And now, honorable ladies and gentlemen, something completely different:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/0022.jpg

Please, put forward your solutions. ;)

Major Walter Schmidt
11-02-2008, 10:37 AM
this one?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_01/2PanzerPaintBNPS_468x306.jpg


Seriously, I think it looks Italian.

Churchill
11-02-2008, 10:43 AM
Naw, that one has too many road wheels... :mrgreen:

Major Walter Schmidt
11-02-2008, 10:46 AM
*Paintball panzer
http://www.geekologie.com/2007/10/panzer_paintball_tank_is_a_cut.php
That would be a cool way to go around town... paintball those pesky bumper stickers you dont like... :D:D:D

Sergej
11-03-2008, 04:36 PM
That's a PZInż.160 tank hunter.

Librarian
11-04-2008, 12:56 PM
On the Mark, my dear Mr. Sergej! My sincerest congratulations. It is your turn again. :D

Sergej
11-05-2008, 01:17 PM
Thank you Librarian!

I'll have less time from now on, so I can't answer as quick as
before, but I'll still take part here. However here is my new riddle:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4853/27462452xk3.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27462452xk3.jpg)

not the biggest secret in the last 100 years but it's might be a small challange.

tom!
11-05-2008, 01:43 PM
Hi.

This is the prototype of a bridgelayer based on the german Panzer II.

Official designation "Schnellbrücke auf Panzerkampfwagen II, Ausführung b"

Yours

tom! ;)

kamehouse
11-05-2008, 05:09 PM
I thought it was the Brückenleger auf Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf b but it's probably the same tank with two different names.
Apparently only 4 were in service with the Pioneers of the 7. Pz.Div during the French Campaign.

tom!
11-06-2008, 10:51 AM
Spielberger mentioned only one prototype in his Panzer I and II book. I got the designation from this book.

Sergej
11-06-2008, 12:35 PM
My source designate it as Brückenlegepanzer II, but Schnellbrücke is also correct.
The modifications were made by the Magirus company.

Bitte fahren Sie fort Tom.;)

tom!
11-06-2008, 01:40 PM
Mach´ ich doch glatt.... :D

Another vehicle:

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=4246

tom!
11-08-2008, 06:38 AM
OK, a small hint:

The pic was slightly retouched to remove a national marking...

Churchill
11-08-2008, 10:15 AM
How about an early American/Russian MRLS?

Major Walter Schmidt
11-08-2008, 10:20 AM
Looks Japanese but cant find it....

tom!
11-08-2008, 02:00 PM
Looks Japanese but cant find it....

So far, so good...:mrgreen:

Churchill
11-08-2008, 03:10 PM
Wow, was I ever off...:)

SS Ouche-Vittes
11-09-2008, 08:22 AM
tom! so the Japanese used the same chassis as that of the pzmk3?

tom!
11-09-2008, 03:29 PM
No german influences, sorry :D

11-11-2008, 10:42 PM
Hiya, Tom!

I've managed to determine that it IS Japanese... unfortunately, the only reference I've found shows it as "Japanese tracked carrier, no further information". Darn!

Russ
FAA Airman *Pending*
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Sergej
11-16-2008, 06:59 AM
Thats hard... is it based on this one?
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/viveckvivu/type92heavyarmouredcar.jpg

tom!
11-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Yes, it is.

Sergej
11-22-2008, 04:21 AM
That's all I could find.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/552/experimentalcrawlertrucqi8.jpg

Major Walter Schmidt
11-22-2008, 04:31 PM
It says "experimental tracked armored self propelled platform (or transporter)

tom!
11-22-2008, 08:24 PM
That's all I could find.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/552/experimentalcrawlertrucqi8.jpg

Bingo.

It was an Ishikawajima predecessor of the Ho-Ki full-tracked transport based on the type 92 heavily armoured vehicle

Your turn...

Sergej
11-23-2008, 08:29 AM
Aligato Major Walter Schmidt! Vielen Dank Tom!
Here is my next one:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5276/vickerspziab3.jpg

Churchill
11-23-2008, 11:33 AM
Wow! Nice suspension!

11-24-2008, 09:31 PM
Hiya, SergeJ!

I'd have to say it's a Spanish prototype, the Carro Verdeja-1. This same vehicle provided the chassis to the mysterious self-propelled gun on page 40.

Russ
FAA Airman *Pending*
Proud son of Rose and Wes

tom!
11-25-2008, 10:55 AM
Must be the second prototype from 1941, the first prototype had a different suspension and turret rear.

Sergej
11-25-2008, 02:43 PM
You're both right!
Here some graphical addition:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4512/escanear00030ja9ufuz0.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8841/escanear00042hd3cxqy7.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4877/escanear00018ca5tgdn9.jpg
But who's turn now? Malarz Russ was faster
but Tom's answer was more accurate. I don't know.:neutral:

tom!
11-25-2008, 02:52 PM
Well, I´m handing the turn over to Mr. Russ as I hadn´t found it without his preparatory work...

:D

11-28-2008, 12:33 AM
Hello, y'all!

I'd like to pass my turn back to Tom... I'm a lot better at figuring these out than I am at coming up with a suitable puzzler. That's my speciality, doing the research. Make it a good one Tom!

Russ
FAA Airman *Pending*
Proud son of Rose and Wes

tom!
11-28-2008, 09:52 AM
OK. :army:

Something not so usual:

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=4962

Sergej
11-28-2008, 10:43 AM
Panzerova drezina Tatra Typ 18 or Armoured draisine Tatra!:)

tom!
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
Sorry, missed your replay.

And yes, correct.
Your turn

tankgeezer
12-01-2008, 11:46 AM
OK. :army:

Something not so usual:

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=4962
Its an amusement park ride,, the man standing is telling the shorter person "you must be this tall" to go on this ride. Sorry, couldnt help myself,,, :)

Churchill
12-01-2008, 02:55 PM
Perfect. I wish I had thought of that. :)

Sergej
12-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Some well-known details, some less-known details...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8766/1536456uv5.png

The rest is up to you.:)

Librarian
12-03-2008, 11:03 AM
Oh, what a pleasurable surprise: Soviet self-propelled howitzer SU 5-2 (122 mm), based upon the T 26 chasis. Here is another direct link:

http://www.mk-armour.narod.ru/2003/b_02/Photo_43.jpg

Sergej
12-03-2008, 11:30 AM
You are correct!

That's one of innumerable variants of the T-26.
This vehicle was used in the late '30 by the attack on Poland and also in the Far East. An the begin of the Great Patriotic War, 28 of this machines were still operational.
Your turn again! And maybe something wheeled...;)

Librarian
12-04-2008, 12:18 PM
OK, my dear Mr. Sergej, here it is:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/00047.jpg

Do you recognize this armored contraption? :)

Churchill
12-04-2008, 03:20 PM
How about a BA-64 equipped with tracks and runners to support the infantry in Finland...?

Librarian
12-05-2008, 08:58 AM
Or more precisely: BA-64 BSCH. Excellent, my dear Mr. Prime Minister! As you can see, a long-term devotion always is finally fruitful. Please, proceed – it is your turn now. :D

Churchill
12-05-2008, 03:03 PM
*Gasp* Wow! Give me a few hours, I'll try to come up with one that isn't too easy... Hopefully... ;)

navyson
12-05-2008, 04:39 PM
Huzzah! Churchill got one right!:cool:

Churchill
12-05-2008, 06:02 PM
Yup. What's this?

http://cfs4.tistory.com/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=YmxvZzEyNTg0M0BmczQudGlzdG9y eS5jb206L2F0dGFjaC8wLzAxMDAwMDAwMDAwMS5qcGc=

And where is it from?

12-06-2008, 02:12 PM
Hiya Churchill!

Interesting choice... the North Korean Peoples Army M1978 / M1989 170mm self-propelled gun. Commonly known in the west as the "Koksan" gun due to where it was first seen. It is armed with what is thought to be an ex-navel or coast defense gun of "indeterminate" origin, mounted on a T-54 / 55 type chassis. This is the largest of the NKPA's conventional artillery. See: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/m-1978-170.htm

Russ
FAA Airman *Pending*
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
12-06-2008, 05:56 PM
Yup. Good job Malarz.

Sergej
12-13-2008, 03:39 AM
Seems like everyone is a bit busy now.
Here's something for the interim period:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6882/51513us2.jpg

Churchill
12-13-2008, 09:05 AM
Hah, kind of looks like a Bison II self-propelled light howitzer.

Sergej
12-13-2008, 09:27 AM
Very good" But it's not the Bison II. You almost hit the caliber,
it differs in only in 1mm.

Churchill
12-13-2008, 10:53 AM
1mm? Dang...

kamehouse
12-13-2008, 04:56 PM
The chassis looks Italian,Semovente da 149/40?

Sergej
12-13-2008, 05:20 PM
You are right! :)

It was the biggest Italian self propelled gun.
In that case it's known as:
"gepanzerte Selbstfahrlette M 43 mit 15 L/42 854(i)".

Your turn!

kamehouse
12-13-2008, 06:20 PM
What is this ?
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/kamehouse-uk/XA3-1.jpg

Major Walter Schmidt
12-13-2008, 10:57 PM
Looks like TKS..
TKS Tankette APC????

tom!
12-14-2008, 05:07 AM
Hi.

That´s a soviet T-20 "Komsomolez" light gun tractor.

click me (http://www.o5m6.de/komsomolez.html)

Yours

tom! ;)

kamehouse
12-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Correct.It lasted more than 10 hours!
Your turn then.

tom!
12-15-2008, 12:23 PM
Hi.

OK, time for something slightly different:

What quite well-known serial production vehicle is welded together here?

http://www.heartsofiron.eu/forum/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=5673

Yours

tom! ;)

Churchill
12-15-2008, 03:34 PM
Thanks Tom!, it was hard enough for some of us already, and now you just kicked me while I was down... Thanks man... ;)

JK, BTW. :)

tom!
12-16-2008, 12:46 PM
Hi.

I hope that even a crack like Mr. Russ is not able to define the type of afv without narrowing it down to few possibilities.

:D

Yours

tom! ;)

Librarian
12-17-2008, 06:28 AM
Well, if we break the ice, we should be more relaxed and be able to build upon. :)

So here is my proposal, honorable Mr. Tom: perhaps we are observing the hull welding station of the StuG IV at the Friedrich Krupp – Grusonwerk AG, Magdeburg.

tom!
12-17-2008, 10:41 AM
No, sorry.

This pic was taken in a Rhein/Ruhr Area city

Librarian
12-17-2008, 03:30 PM
Oh… Well then - what actually we had down there in the Ruhrgebiet during the WW2 connected with the armored vehicles production? If I remembered that well, Deutsche Eisenwerke AG at Duisburg had there truly disproportionate concentration of armored vehicles production - Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär (Sd.Kfz.166), Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen (Sd.Kfz.161/3), 15cm Schwere Panzerhaubitze Hummel (Sd. Kfz. 165)... just to mention some well known examples. :)

If our mysterious production facility really was located there... well, then my next guessing will be that we are observing a welding procedure of the Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär. ;)

tom!
12-18-2008, 11:23 AM
Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär is wrong.

Librarian
12-18-2008, 11:47 AM
Gee, what a pleasant surprise… Well, here we go again: perhaps Hummel, my dear Mr. Tom? :D

Churchill
12-18-2008, 08:05 PM
O.O Librarian got one wrong!?!?!?

I never thought that would happen... :)

navyson
12-18-2008, 08:09 PM
O.O Librarian got one wrong!?!?!?

I never thought that would happen... :)

:shock::D

wingsofwrath
12-26-2008, 05:12 AM
Hmm... for s reason I can't see the picture.

Mr Tom, would you be so kind to post it again so we could all take a shot at this mystery?

01-07-2009, 12:30 AM
Hello, y'all!

Just dropping a message to "re-muddy" the waters, so to say!

Thanx for the compliment Tom, I'll have to do some digging for a book or two and hopefully I can come up with an answer for your puzzler!

I hope everyone had a good holiday, and will have a Safe, Healthy, Happy, and Prosperous New Year!

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Egorka
01-08-2009, 04:53 AM
As I understand there is no question hanging right now... so here is one for you:

WTF is this??? :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3411/3179590440_4c71689a59_o.jpg

flamethrowerguy
01-08-2009, 08:29 AM
Befehlspanzer III (command tank) with wooden main gun dummy.

Egorka
01-08-2009, 08:57 AM
Befehlspanzer III (command tank) with wooden main gun dummy.
Erhhh.... I do not know... all right except... is it not a "Befehlspanzer (command tank)" according to my source...

You got the dummy woden gun right, of course.

wingsofwrath
01-08-2009, 09:12 AM
It's a Befehlspanzer all right. Just look at the oddly shaped antenna visible to the right of the picture that is unique to command vehicles. (If I remember correctly, the German name for it is "Stabantenne")

Egorka
01-08-2009, 02:29 PM
It is an armored observation vehicle – "Panzerbeobactungswagen". Nar Budapest, Hungary, March 1945.
I guess it is not the same as "Befehlspanzer", is it?

wingsofwrath
01-08-2009, 04:22 PM
In fact the Panzerbefehlswagen III Ausf H and the Artillerie-Panzerbeobachtungswagen III were remarkably similar vehicles: both had a dummy gun, extra 30mm armour plates on the front, turret mounted MG34, lack of hull mounted MG and long range FUG 8 radio (the one with the distinctive star antenna), and both vehicles were conversions of regular tanks, so it is really hard to tell the two apart at first glance, unless you are looking from behind, because the command tank had an even more distinctive frame antenna on the rear deck.

The main differences lie in the internal equipment - besides the FUG 8, the observation tank had a normal FUG 4 station and an extra retractable periscope, while the command vehicle had a FUG 6 or FUG 13 installed (that used the already mentioned frame antenna) and had the turret bolted in place.


The reason I believed the mystery photo was the Befehlpanzer III H rather than the Beobachtungswagen is the fact that although the FUG 8 antenna is visible in the picture, there is no whip antenna for the FUG 4 (as can be seen in the following picture)

http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/fotky/tanky/pz3/130.jpg

However, a closer look at the mystery photo reveals the extra periscope in extended position just above the MG mount, so yes, this vehicle is more likely to be an artillery observation machine for a Hummel or Wespe battery.

Major Walter Schmidt
01-13-2009, 09:07 PM
I havent been on here for some time...
So, why did theyr emove the guns and replace them with dummies?

flamethrowerguy
01-13-2009, 11:55 PM
With the main gun missing there was more room for radio/signals stuff etc.

Major Walter Schmidt
01-14-2009, 12:01 AM
Ah, I see...

wingsofwrath
01-14-2009, 04:14 AM
yes, indeed.
On early Panzerbefehlswagen III they experimented with replacing the main gun with a wooden dummy and keeping the coaxial MG for close defense, but since the frame antenna on the rear deck required the turret to be bolted in place the resulting vehicle had almost no ability to transverse the machine gun other than turning the whole tank around, so after a few less then successful experiments to offset the MG to the right of the turret, from the "H" version onwards, the dummy gun was moved to the right and an MG 34 on a ball mount was fitted in its stead, a configuration that was kept for the Artillerie-Panzerbeobachtungswagen III as well.
From the "J" (Sd Kfz 141) version of the Panzerbefehlswagen III onwards however, all command tanks were fitted (or in cases retro-fitted) with a 50mm KwK L/42 main gun and coaxial MG, in effect being little more than regular Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf Js with an ammunition rack removed to make room for extra radio equipment (Typically FuG5 with either FuG7 or FuG8)

And coming back to the game - who's turn is it to post a riddle?

flamethrowerguy
01-14-2009, 07:46 AM
And coming back to the game - who's turn is it to post a riddle?

Well, with my "Befehlspanzer III" I screwed up...

wingsofwrath
01-14-2009, 10:51 AM
Well, with my "Befehlspanzer III" I screwed up...

So did I, since I also favoured the Panzerbefehlswagen rather than the correct Beobahtungspanzer.

If you ask me, it's Egorka's turn again, since he provided us with the answer in the end.

Egorka
01-15-2009, 03:53 AM
Ohh... common, guys... you are flatering me... :)

Lets see... a bit unconventional this one is...

http://fotoplenka.ru/photo/tancist/361294/9197551.jpg
http://fotoplenka.ru/photo/tancist/361294/9197551.jpg

01-16-2009, 02:29 AM
Hiya, Igor!

That's an easy one... the Best 75 Tracklayer, shown operating with troops of the California Army National Guard. See http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/, 4th entry down.

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Egorka
01-16-2009, 03:13 AM
Hiya, Igor!

That's an easy one... the Best 75 Tracklayer, shown operating with troops of the California Army National Guard. See http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/, 4th entry down.

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes
Correct!

http://fotoplenka.ru/photo/tancist/361294/9197576.jpg

navyson
01-16-2009, 06:08 AM
That Tracklayer looks like an upside down boat hull with a turret attached.:shock:

Churchill
01-16-2009, 10:14 AM
My thoughts as well...

Egorka
01-17-2009, 03:45 PM
I know it is not my turn, but... I am faster! :)

It is more the question: WHAT ARE THEY UP TO??? ;)

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/23.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/4.jpg

RicemanCDN
01-17-2009, 04:25 PM
I know it is not my turn, but... I am faster! :)

It is more the question: WHAT ARE THEY UP TO??? ;)

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/23.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/4.jpg

dont really get your question one looks like they are either reinforcing there tank with wood but tahts unlikely or they are putting camo on the tank for urban combat.
and the second the track came off and its getting towed off so it can be repaired with a new track

Egorka
01-19-2009, 05:01 AM
These photos are of the same group of men doing .... WHAT???

A tip: Actually one can almost read the answer on the screen... ;)

01-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Hiya, Egorka and all!

Are they German prisoners of war? The absence of weapons other than the tank and the fairly raggedly look of their uniforms suggests that. I know German POWs were used in Norway to demine minefields. I also spy with my little eye the first two letters "MI" and the last "NDO" painted across the front of the tank in the second picture. Possibly "Minen"?

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

wingsofwrath
01-23-2009, 07:13 AM
Heh. The word you are looking for, Mr Malarz is "Minenkommando", literally "De-mining Outfit", as you so accurately guess. A further clue in the same direction is in the name of the images, since Mr Egorka decided to hot-link rather than re-host the pictures: "www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/4.jpg" which leads us directly to this nice page: http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/denmine/denmine.htm

tankgeezer
01-23-2009, 07:52 AM
THe top looks like someone is gathering firewood, or moving a portable enclosure. the lower is a recovery team hauling in a badly damaged vehicle, if you look to the tank's right side rear, you can see where a mine or shell has really ripped it a new one.not likely that it just dug into soft ground, there is too much debris covering the rear of the tank for that.

Egorka
01-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Hiya, Egorka and all!

Are they German prisoners of war? The absence of weapons other than the tank and the fairly raggedly look of their uniforms suggests that. I know German POWs were used in Norway to demine minefields. I also spy with my little eye the first two letters "MI" and the last "NDO" painted across the front of the tank in the second picture. Possibly "Minen"?

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes
Good enough!
These are the pics of demining team for Denmark - Minenkommando Dänemark, may - sept 1945.

Egorka
01-23-2009, 11:33 AM
THe top looks like someone is gathering firewood, or moving a portable enclosure. that was called Pz. III Möbelwagen
:)

01-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Hello, y'all!

Thanx, Egorka! I had just read something earlier about the use of German "disarmed soldiers" (vs. POWs) to demine formerly occupied lands. I saw the pictures and that instantly came to mind.

As I am better at solving these then coming up with decent puzzles, I'd like to pass my turn to someone else... Tankgeezer, WingsofWrath, Churchill, someone! Puzzle us!

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

wingsofwrath
01-26-2009, 10:36 AM
My dear Mr Malarz, since you are so willing to pass your turn, allow me to present you with another -hopefully- thrilling installment of "guess the tank":

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2906/mystery11rt4.jpg

Churchill
01-26-2009, 05:34 PM
- Pieza Artillería autopropulsada de 75/40 mm Verdeja-I.

Pages 39 and 40.

wingsofwrath
01-26-2009, 08:55 PM
Oops, sorry, my bad...
I hadn't read trough all the archives yet.
I promise I'll find you a better mystery tomorrow.

Later edit: It's not yet tomorrow, but in light of my earlier mistake I would like to offer you as a substitute enigma this lovable vehicle: (I already checked trough the archive and it hasn't been featured yet)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7606/mystery12xv7.jpg

01-29-2009, 01:15 PM
Hiya, WingsofWrath!

What you have presented us is a Czech CKD Praga armored car.
See: http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/cs/armerc/ckd.htm

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

wingsofwrath
02-02-2009, 11:21 AM
Congratulations my dear Mr Malarz, that is indeed the right vehicle!

It was indeed produced by the Czech manufacturer ČKD Praha, but unfortunately, there is also a specific name associated with the type you have yet to present on the forum before I can pass you the turn.

Also, I apologize for the small delay of my latest post, but I was busy these last few days attending a commemorative march in Hungary for the casualties of the Don River Bend battles in 1942.

02-04-2009, 12:57 AM
Eureka!

I've found it, Wings of Wrath! It is the TNSPE armored car manufactured by CKD Praga for Romania, 7 being produced in 1936 / 37.

Also, don't sweat the delay! You were doing something noble, recalling history and things NOT to be repeated.

Russ
FAA Airman
Proud son of Rose and Wes

saffer
02-04-2009, 04:54 AM
Who's got the next question, i'm waiting.

wingsofwrath
02-04-2009, 11:27 AM
My dear Mr Malarz, you have the relay.

The TNSPE type 34 (produced in 1936) is the right answer. (The ones built in 1937 looked a bit different)

Churchill
02-23-2009, 09:02 PM
Who's turn is it? I'm lacking my usual unanswerable question...

wingsofwrath
02-25-2009, 06:29 AM
It's Mr Malarz's turn to post.

02-25-2009, 11:40 PM
Hello, y'all!

Sorry, I totally had a brain fart and forgot!

Here's one to try:

http://t9wp0g.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pN1XyCsAR3H9Q_j822KWR-e_MXHCZx15FPTlz_VcORhpYT-Y6-1gD5uhf8Gb8gx-DH2y79G1TLqo/001.jpg

Enjoy!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
02-26-2009, 03:23 PM
Its not showing up...

02-26-2009, 08:04 PM
Hello, Churchill!

I tried... I don't know why now it enlarges it by 4 times. I give up.

navyson
02-26-2009, 08:06 PM
My Gosh...I can almost fit in the drivers seat!:mrgreen:

Major Walter Schmidt
02-26-2009, 08:13 PM
FAMO prototype???

All I can say is it was made in 1667 :mrgreen:

tom!
03-01-2009, 04:34 AM
Hi.

It´s a british Vauxhall BT prototype, a copy of the german SdKfz 8 series. 6 were built in 1944/45 and the "BT6" on the engine cover indicates that it is the last prototype vehicle.

Yours

tom! ;)

03-01-2009, 02:42 PM
Heya, Tom!

You got it! It's the Bedford (a division of Vauxhill) Tracat (TRAcked Artillery Tractor). Pretty much a copy of Germany's solution, it was complicated and expensive compared to the Bedford QLB 74 x 4 truck.

Give us a good 'un, Tom

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

tom!
03-01-2009, 03:29 PM
Hi.

Thanks.

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/quiz1.jpg

Yours

tom! ;)

navyson
03-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Hi.

Thanks.

http://www.ww2technik.de/raetsel/quiz1.jpg

Yours

tom! ;)
German, WWI era?

Churchill
03-12-2009, 06:23 PM
Methinks Austrian...

wingsofwrath
03-15-2009, 04:13 PM
Methinks Austrian...

Nope.
Even though I also thought at first it was the national marking of the First Austrian Republic (1918-1934) It's actually the Coat of Arms of the German Reich, as used untill 1918 (note the crown on the eagle, and the fact it's not holding anything in it's claws).
If that is indeed the case, it would suggest the picture was taken early in WW1 or even pre-war, since we know later German vehicles had as national insignia the stylised version of the Eisenes Kreuz (Iron Cross) that is still in use with the Bundeswehr today.
As far as the vehicle is concerned, It's obviously an early prototype armored car of some sort, but since there were a bewildering variety of such vehicles used in WW1 the exact type unfortunately still eludes me.

navyson
03-16-2009, 08:01 AM
German, WWI era?

I was right!:shock: Except who knows what the vehicle was?

Major Walter Schmidt
03-16-2009, 09:00 AM
Armored VIP vehicle perhaps? Maybe they got careful after Ferdinand was shot >.>

Churchill
03-16-2009, 09:48 AM
It's actually the Coat of Arms of the German Reich, as used untill 1918 (note the crown on the eagle, and the fact it's not holding anything in it's claws).

Can't see that much detail...

Churchill
05-30-2009, 10:02 AM
Anyone? Malarz, Librarian, Sergej???

I'll guess either a messed up Ehrhardt BAK armoured car, or an even more messed up Ehrhardt E-V/4 armoured car.

Librarian
05-31-2009, 02:39 PM
For Heaven’s sake, honorable ladies and gentlemen – an Opel halbgepanzerter Wagen (Opel semi-armored car) from 1906. in our WW2 armored mystery-thread? I am really astonished…

But never mind that – here you have a direct link connected with this semi-armored rarity:

http://www.aviarmor.net/TWW2/Armored%20Cars/germany/opel_1906.htm

In the meantime, I am watching my old copy of family musical favorite Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. You know… just for a little stimulation while searching for my next mystery.

Churchill
05-31-2009, 09:44 PM
Eh, my encyclopedia of over 900 armoured vehicles of the world(first to ~2008) didn't have it, so I guessed the closest to what I had, which obviously wasn't it.

At least I got someone to answer it though. :mrgreen:

navyson
06-01-2009, 08:03 AM
In the meantime, I am watching my old copy of family musical favorite Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. You know… just for a little stimulation while searching for my next mystery.

Welcome back Librarian! All of the construction done where you work? Wow! I haven't seen "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" in years! I liked the movie, but was more of a fan of the book which I had since I was a kid and somewhere got lost. My wife got me another copy for my last birthday. Even though I turned 40!:D Hey...some things are still sentimental.:mrgreen:

navyson
06-01-2009, 08:04 AM
At least I got someone to answer it though. :mrgreen:

Maybe we can get started again now on all of these stumpers!;)

Librarian
06-01-2009, 03:19 PM
Welcome back Librarian! All of the construction done where you work? Wow! I haven't seen "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" in years!

Thank you, my dear Mr. Navyson - yes - finally, our new book repository is completed, but our brand new computerized supportive system still is out of function! :roll:

Not even to mention that nowadays we are completely stressed with a physical reallocation of some… 25000 books. But, after all, some physical exercise always is a first-rate opportunity for a cholesterol demagnification, and a half-nomadic existence with a wild jumble of shrieking secretaries, fluttering librarians, tumbles of papers and cacophonies of telephone calls from irritated contractors (which still are waiting for their truly well-earned cheques from our dearly beloved Ministry of Culture!) actually represents a fine relaxation from those wery well known evils, like fishing, gardening, reading, or - God forbid! - an idyllic knoll along the river as well as from numerous other wasteful, extravagant and ostentatious manifestations of human life. :)


Hey...some things are still sentimental.

Oh, yes – fortunately they are! Fortunately, my dear Mr. Navyson, we both were born in an epoch when a miraculous exchange of glances still was completely sufficient to reveal human hearts to one another. And, yet again luckily, before car manufacturers proclaimed that they are selling only "the most desirable thing on wheels" – actually created when Market Analyses called in Styling, and they both contacted Motivational Research, which started running interviews in depth and thematic apperception tests to determine what kind of car personality bankers want to cook in their variant of a Hackenbush…

However, even if there had been nothing else, the late sixties shoud be rememebered gratefully for the many films of gentleness, and human warmth they produced. And for the very peak of the skilled application of that charm one need look no further than Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, with a delicate and still appealing mixture of whimsy, magic, and true love. :cool:

And now, if the ladies will please remove their hats, we are ready to begin the show…

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/Langnasen/000145.jpg

Honorable ladies and gentlemen, our brand new armored mystery is in anticipation of your offers! :)

Churchill
06-01-2009, 03:53 PM
Seems English by the gun on the top that the soldier is carrying(I'd say Bren, but probably not).

Librarian
06-02-2009, 05:31 AM
Well, to certain extant our little tracked vehicle surely has some British origins, but otherwise represents an independent, completely autonomous construction, my dear Mr. Prime Minister. :)

After all - just observe those exceptionally wide and strangely patchy tracks… Beyond doubt, they are not of British origin.

Churchill
06-02-2009, 03:18 PM
Then by the hats, Russian, or somewhere close to there.

Nickdfresh
06-02-2009, 10:38 PM
Well, it's an armored personnel carrier, and the Soviets certainly had no use for those --as the Ruskies called APCs T-34s covered with infantry... :D

Nickdfresh
06-02-2009, 10:40 PM
Not just a Bren gun, but a Thompson as well. I think these might be Canadians garrisoning the Northwest territories on a field trial variant of the Bren Gun Carrier or something...

But I am probably wrong...

* But my reasoning is this:

US soldiers, and I believe Canadians as well, wore the babushka style winter hat. Not just Soviets. A wide tracked vehicle would have been immensely useful in the climate of Western Canada and Alaska in the face of a real (if minimal) threat of Japanese invasion. The wide tracks would have had an alternating usefulness over both snow pack and marshy, muddy geographies common to both regions....

06-03-2009, 01:36 AM
Hello, y'all!

An easier selection than your usual "stumpers", Librarian! I knew your previous one was from the First World War, other than that, nada! At least this one is from an era I have books on!

Here is my hint to my fellow armor enthusiasts:

It's a Mark I something or other.

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Librarian
06-03-2009, 04:41 AM
Well, honorable ladies and gentlemen, after many days we have a real object-oriented discussion here. Excellent!:D


US soldiers, and I believe Canadians as well, wore the babushka style winter hat. Not just Soviets.

Exectly, my dear Mr. Nickdfresh. Although ushankas are representing a noticeably Russian cap, fure caps with flexible earflaps were in a completely regular use in Germany, Scandinavia, Canada, United States, Korea, Japan, China and numerous other countries. For example, here is an model of the Japanese army winter fur cap:

http://www.rlscollectibles.com/catalog/images/webupdate22may%20041.JPG

German model (M42 Sheep Fur Cap) is visible here:

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/WW2-German-Heer-Elite-M42-Sheep-Fur-Cap-Later-Type-57_W0QQitemZ170321862888QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item170321862888&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14#ebayphotohosting


A wide tracked vehicle would have been immensely useful in the climate of Western Canada and Alaska in the face of a real (if minimal) threat of Japanese invasion. The wide tracks would have had an alternating usefulness over both snow pack and marshy, muddy geographies common to both regions....

Brilliant reasoning, my dear Nickdfresh – an absolutley radiant example of a truly consistent and fact-oriented elaboration! Please, proceed - you are on the right track! ;)


An easier selection than your usual "stumpers", Librarian!

Oh, just wait for a while, my dear Mr. Malarz Russ and you will be able to see something … really rare. ;)


I knew your previous one was from the First World War…

Oh, no – you have not seen my WW1 mystery in this thread even in a dream. However, if you really wish that - just say a word! :cool:

BTW – your hint is, as always, highly useful!

06-15-2009, 11:28 PM
Hello, y'all!

Looks like I'll hafta drop another hint:

It comes from the land of thick bacon and Molsons!

Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes

Churchill
06-16-2009, 08:56 AM
Cool... I think...

navyson
06-16-2009, 09:15 AM
Hello, y'all!

Looks like I'll hafta drop another hint:

It comes from the land of thick bacon and Molsons!

Well, that would be Canada. But the only Canadian APC's I've found are wheeled, not tracked.

Rising Sun*
06-16-2009, 09:37 AM
Happily uninhibited by any knowledge of the subject, both military vehicular and geographic, may I ask would it be a vehicle designed for a country with substantial marshes, such as the Pinsk Marshes, and perhaps winter snow, in eastern Europe or perhaps the Balkans?

If so, would that tend to narrow it down to somewhere in the Hungary / Romania regions?

Librarian
06-16-2009, 10:28 AM
Well, although our tiny vehicle actually served in the Balkan Peninsula (and it served truly magnificently and faithfully for more then 30 years!), as far as I know it never was deployed by Rumanian or Hungarian armed forces, my dear Mr. Rising Sun. :)

And yes – our mysterious piece of combat machinery was truly beloved by the Soviets too! But if the truth is to be said, actually it was manufactured in that huge, beautiful and rich country where word "autumn" is another expression of beauty in itself.;)