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    Hi folks.
    Just recently , quite accidentally i have found an quite shocking matter, that tells about killing the ethnical GErmans in Poland near Danzig.
    Don't missunderstand me, i m not going to spread nazis view on history, nor advocating its own behaviour in Poland. I don't claim this is true, i just want to know.
    The photos are here
    http://s-mahat.ru/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cont=69
    http://s-mahat.ru/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cont=70
    The GErman newspaper that describe the events

    The source claims there were killed up to 55 000 of ethnical germans in Danzig, right after GErman invasion to Poland in september.
    What is here the true and what is the propogand?
    Last edited by Chevan; 09-15-2009 at 01:57 AM.

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    Very Disturbing photo's, but a fact of war. thx for sharing Chevan
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    I think ?Schuultz? or somebody else recently posted on this in another thread in response to a question from me, but I can't recall the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    I think ?Schuultz? or somebody else recently posted on this in another thread in response to a question from me, but I can't recall the thread.
    Did I? I don't remember. What was arguing?
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    Thanx for the post. The horrors of war.



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    The number of 55000 victims was pure Nazi propaganda. Still today historians are at strife about the real numbers which according to different researchers differs from 4000 - 13000 killed ethnic Germans during the first days of the war (with the Bromberg Bloody Sunday as a climax).
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    The number of 55000 victims was pure Nazi propaganda. Still today historians are at strife about the real numbers which according to different researchers differs from 4000 - 13000 killed ethnic Germans during the first days of the war (with the Bromberg Bloody Sunday as a climax).
    so it's really happend!
    The ethnic mass murdering of civils is definitely Genocide.But interesting - was those action the resaul ot special order of polish authorities or it was "people's action" kinda mass antisemitic pogroms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    so it's really happend!
    The ethnic mass murdering of civils is definitely Genocide.But interesting - was those action the resaul ot special order of polish authorities or it was "people's action" kinda mass antisemitic pogroms?
    Who knows? German and Polish savants are still arguing if ethnic German civilians in Poland started firing upon retreating Polish forces or not. The Polish claim that this would have been the main reason for the atrocities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Who knows? German and Polish savants are still arguing if ethnic German civilians in Poland started firing upon retreating Polish forces or not. The Polish claim that this would have been the main reason for the atrocities...
    The farmers start to fire at retreating polish army???
    I admit the few germans might to take the firearms and start to resist( as it was in Western Ukraine in 1941) But entire the families?
    Anyway the mass murdering the woman and children can't be justified by the actions of resistence.This is Ethnic genocide.
    This remind me what happend in Volun in 1943- the poles themself had become the victims of UPA atrocities.
    BTW do you - were there the victims among the Polish civils in Blomberg too?
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    Well, considering that the Poles were not really happy about the germans, its pretty easy to understand why. However it is the horror of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarge94 View Post
    Well, considering that the Poles were not really happy about the germans,...
    They never were, don't forget that there were violations of ethnic Germans long before Germany invaded - and I'm not talking about incidents faked by the Nazis. The occurences of early September 1939 have just been the negative climax.
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    It is indeed a long time since I have seen mentioned the units you cite, my friend. Likewise, I struggle to recall more than yourself regarding German military actions in Poland prior to September 1st, 1939. The Jablunkov Pass incident had slipped from memory to be honest, though oddly, I recalled the name Herzner as soon as I saw it.

    Where I come to something of an impasse in my cogitations upon such incidents as massacres of civilians is that almost any nation in Europe can within reason make the same specie of claim, viz: "The enemy rounded our civilians up, marched them off, gunned them down (or caused death by other means such as clubbing to death)."
    The only combattant nation in Europe not able to make such a claim is basically the UK, which went unoccupied save for the Channel Islands.
    Again, it all boils down to the brutality of war, in which civilian casualties and deaths are a certainty, and as such, are to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    The source claims there were killed up to 55 000 of ethnical germans in Danzig, right after GErman invasion to Poland in september.
    What is here the true and what is the propogand?
    I think it's false info, or the number is too big
    After and under ww2, the Red Army controlled areas made these actions
    I saw a video once the place maybe cheslovakia, german ethnical civilians machinegunned down after the Red Army arrived
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    Warning graphic video!
    here you go: czeh execute, roll over with truck, beating german civilians in jun. 1945/Ethnic cleansing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy56AONULn8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Hi folks.
    Just recently , quite accidentally i have found an quite shocking matter, that tells about killing the ethnical GErmans in Poland near Danzig.
    Noooooo !??

    (I realise I should find a GIF for this.... how to portray feigned amazement... Ahw NOoooo ??? )

    I think the only explanation is that with the coming of www internet the world libraries have burned all their books but not all that information is put on wiki, so that information is LOST. FOREVER!
    MORE bookburnings than that in Berlin bebelplatz 1933 !
    And only now we learn of this terrible mistake ! The world is slowly, no, fast going ignorant ! (or stupid , if you will).

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