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Thread: Incongruous Weapons and Equipment Thread

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    Default Re: Incongruous Weapons and Equipment Thread

    Never heard of these before...

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    So-called "Bazooka pants" on a German Panzer IV-J, not to mix up with the regular solid steel skirts. These net-like "pants" were suppose to offer an extra protection against all kinds of rocket-type weapons but were clearly a sign of German late-war resource shortage as well.
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    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    booth side armors have been tested in 1943 : the "Thoma" wire netting gave the best results against anti-tank 14.5mm russian rifle. But at this time they didn't found how to fix them correctly on each side there for the others were choosen.
    It's only late 44 that they made hinged supports fixed to a tube and started production.
    Among problems posed by the full skirts, there is for example the weight and the fact that if they stop well the first missile they can be so damaged that they do not serve any more much later. And wire nettings improve the camouflage of the machine and weigh much less heavy.

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    Default Re: Incongruous Weapons and Equipment Thread

    As we can see the Soviets did something similar to get some extra protection for the turrets by the end of the war...


    Photo taken in Berlin, May 1945.
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    And used today. I believe such a device might useless against ballistic projectiles or perpetrators (I think I've read that applique "armor" such as logs or sandbags were useless against German tank shells, but were effective and lessening the hit from panzerfausts), but were intended to detonate/dissipate HEAT rounds before it could contact the armor plate...


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    Actually the wiremesh screens were very effective at defeating smaller brittle core ATR completely destroying them before they could damage the belly armor. They also were effective and preventing HE ammo from damaging the tracks. They were never intended to defeat Shaped charge ammo, that was a unintended benifit.

    Modern desendant is the perforated plate armor that is very effective at defeating various types of KE projectiles and has reasonably good Anti HEAT protection as well. Many tanks and AFVs have utilized this technology.

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    The "battle sled" posted earlier may not be for battle.
    Accounts I have read suggest that such sleds were built primarily for towing supplies, and were only later used as evacuation vehicles, or to ferry troops about in rear-echelon areas.
    I have a vague recollection of such things being mentioned in Sajer's book, though I'd have to go back and re-read it to confirm this.

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    Bump. I've recently again seen some "stock footage" generally used in documentaries on Normandy after D-Day showing presumably a German (Heer?) sniper using a scoped British Lee Enfield. Has anyone else seen this?

    Edit: Now that I think of it, I think he may have been a Fallschirmjäger wearing a camouflage tunic...
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    I stole this from axishistory.



    U.S. soldiers riding on a British Churchill tank with one of them carrying a Sturmgewehr!

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...9382&start=105

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