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    Ufortunately, most historians are influenced by their own bias...best reason for reading several books on and around the subject.

    I used to know an old gent who was a company commander with the African's but forget which unit.

    One of the things I liked about your pictures in the link above, was the national badges on the wreaths placed at the memorial.

    I guess the Ta-Dan was the better known of the Japanese gas weapons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 32Bravo View Post
    Ufortunately, most historians are influenced by their own bias...best reason for reading several books on and around the subject.
    Very true and something I try to do whenevr I can

    I used to know an old gent who was a company commander with the African's but forget which unit.
    Pity. It would have been good to hear about his experiences

    One of the things I liked about your pictures in the link above, was the national badges on the wreaths placed at the memorial.
    When I took the pics the leaves were everywhere and it felt disrespectful to shake them off just for better quality pictures.

    I guess the Ta-Dan was the better known of the Japanese gas weapons?
    Seems to be...against the western Allies at least. Unit 731 certainly developed many chemical and biological weapons but I don't think any were used except in China (against civilians, soldiers, and POWs - both Chinese and western). I believe many were stockpiled for use against the Downfall invasion.

    http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/t...-issue-14.html

    The German "T B" hand-thrown prussic acid grenade is a glass cylinder approximately 4 inches in diameter, packed in sawdust in a cardboard container, and the container packed in sawdust again inside a metal canister.

    The Japanese have a similar type, filled with prussic acid, several cases of these grenades having been washed up on the beach in the beginning of the Malayan campaign. As HCN may inflame, it must be considered as an incendiary as well as a toxic agent.

    From Russia have come unconfirmed reports of the use by the Germans of incendiaries (frangible grenades dropped from planes?) to set fire to the high grasses of the steppes.

    An Italian incendiary grenade, devised for close defensive work against tanks and armored vehicles, consists of a quart of gasoline in a glass bottle fitted with a metal cap. An igniter fuze, match, and wooden handles are attached to the side of the bottle. For distances of 65 feet or more, a safety device is utilized which operates after a long trajectory.

    The Japanese developed a grenade in the form of a liquid-filled beer bottle stamped "B Kirin Brewery Co. LTD." The fluid is essentially coal tar. This bottle is equipped with fuze, safety lid, and safety pin.

    Also have a look at:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/1473895/US...-Ch2electrv699
    (use the search facility for "Japanese")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amrit View Post
    Very true and something I try to do whenevr I can
    That, I consider self-evident. It was just a general comment I was making as opposed to a patronizing one.

    A very good book I once read - the missus found it in the local library - was The Reluctant Major by David Atkins. If you haven't read it, I would highly recommend it.

    The author commanded a transport company on the Dimapur-Imphal Road in 1942.


    http://www.wslg.wa.gov.au/Clarelibwe...7.0&v46=305516


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    Quote Originally Posted by 32Bravo View Post
    That, I consider self-evident. It was just a general comment I was making as opposed to a patronizing one.
    Sorry, I wasn't implying that you were - just a badly phrased reply on my part. Must admit that English is my second language....my first being gibberish.

    A very good book I once read - the missus found it in the local library - was The Reluctant Major by David Atkins. If you haven't read it, I would highly recommend it.

    The author commanded a transport company on the Dimapur-Imphal Road in 1942.
    I have come across the book but haven't read it. I will certainly give it a go.
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    BTW have you read Tales by Japanese Soldiers? Is worth a go.
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    I second the recommendation for 'War Bush': one of the best divisional histories from the campaign (which also includes the history of the 3rd West African LRP ('Chindit') Brigade) and a long-overdue counterbalance against the shameful treatment of the West Africans in Kirby's official history.

    Don't forget that in addition to 81st West African Division, there was also 82nd West African Division, 11th East African Division, two independent East African Brigades and numerous African ancilliary units such as West African Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiments, which engaged Japanese air attacks against India.

    Re Japanese AT grenades: One of the regimental histories (3rd Carabiners?) recounts the tale of a tank commander being attacked by 'Thai' troops (probably actually just Japanese of large stature) throwing glass phials at his tank. He noticed a strange smell, looked down and noticed that his crew had all passed out (they soon made a complete recovery). The history goes on to say that these were phials of Hydrocyanic Acid. A Japanese account recounted in Lyall-Grant and Tamayama's excellent 'Burma 1942' recounts a Japanese order to deploy 'special gas grenades' against the Stuarts of 7th Armoured Brigade.

    Re the direct fire big gun: Each Indian Corps (IV, XV and XXXIII) formed an AGRA (Army Group Royal Artillery), which comprised various artillery units, but at the core of each was a Medium Regiment of 4.5 or 5.5 inch BL Guns and a Heavy Anti Aircraft Regiment with QF 3.7 inch AA Guns. These were often used over open sights against hilltop positions. I've seen a photo of a pair of 3.7s being used like this and one of a 'sawnoff' 5.5 being used against Japanese positions on the top of Kennedy Peak, southeast of Imphal. Another sawnoff 5.5 was also used 'Napoleonic style' to create a breach in the massive walls of Fort Dufferin in Mandalay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Mark Davies View Post
    Re Japanese AT grenades: One of the regimental histories (3rd Carabiners?) recounts the tale of a tank commander being attacked by 'Thai' troops (probably actually just Japanese of large stature) throwing glass phials at his tank. He noticed a strange smell, looked down and noticed that his crew had all passed out (they soon made a complete recovery). The history goes on to say that these were phials of Hydrocyanic Acid. A Japanese account recounted in Lyall-Grant and Tamayama's excellent 'Burma 1942' recounts a Japanese order to deploy 'special gas grenades' against the Stuarts of 7th Armoured Brigade.
    This was discussed here recently in another thread, but alas I can't recall which one.
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    My father was killed in action at the battle for Pinwe. does anyone have any information about this battle. I have the account of 'The shiny ninth but woud like to know what other units fought there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cozgrove71 View Post
    My father was killed in action at the battle for Pinwe. does anyone have any information about this battle. I have the account of 'The shiny ninth but woud like to know what other units fought there.
    You might find information or leads for further enquiry if you explore http://www.burmastar.org.uk/
    or post at http://pub16.bravenet.com/forum/stat...mid=76&msgid=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttjohn View Post
    am i right !!
    Who can say, as you do not back up your sweeping comments such as 'IMPOSSIBLE' with any evidence and, therefore, one can only conclude that they are based on personal opinion without anything to substantiate them.

    Furthermore, to whom are you directing your comments?
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    TT is a spammer, he's gone.

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