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    Default Re: Iosif Stalin Tanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger205 View Post
    - anyways, the Soviets had NO optics (and computers) that time to control such a powerful punch.
    One of the most used mantra's of the fan-boys. There are field reports in one of Jentz's Tiger books where the German crews complain about fire from IS-2's that hit then first shot at long range. A Bovington report done on a T34/73 in 1943 comments on the simplicity of the design of the tanks optics whilst saying how good they were. Sadly I do not have the full report on the optics but clearly the Soviets did have effective and accurate sights.
    Perhaps someone has information on wartime Soviet optics? I understand they copied German designs and then we can get away from this fiction that they did not have anything that worked properly.

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    I have experience just with T-34 and T-55 optics.
    They (EVEN the T55) were not enough to control such a monster (powerful) gun!
    I was talking about the KM-52..
    This is not a simple 122 mm!

    Please examine the British problems to aim the 120 mm rifled gun of the Chieftain until the advent of the computer era (20 mm gun, etc.)
    Last edited by Tiger205; 05-16-2010 at 05:22 PM.
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    TGR

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    "speed is important, bustle is harmful"
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    Hello My dear Friend, some of my answers (I TRY, although I will be in county-side whole next week and I was sick in the last days)

    Do not forget, I am not an expert, just an amateur with some ideas!

    "Soviets actually had envisioned that radar-rangefinder enhanced optical T2-S gunsight back there in 1959. "
    And why not introduced it?

    "Would you be so kind to give us a little bit more detailed description of the phrase "critical situation", my dear Mr. Tiger 205."
    Usual combat distance on fog of war during a combat situation, human status (injuries OR JUST fear, blood preasure, etc...) air strikes, artillery fire, radio contact (with or without, etc...)

    This is also part of my answer for MY questions about your whole story about the unbeatable Objekts - "why not implemented, introduced them?
    The answer simply: What for?
    Warsaw Pact had mass armies, trained for mass breakthrough over the Main German plains and the secondary theatres - against armies with less tanks - so what they wanted is a MBT, not a super hyper Heavy tank!
    The main aim was to reach Paris, not to fight against tanks
    THE IRON FIST!!!

    (by the way, do you know the old Soviet joke? I try, maybe not)
    Two Soviet Tank Generals drinking champagne during the victory ceremony after the big Eurpoeran war (3rd WW ?) IN PARIS.
    suddenly one of them ask the other:
    - By the way, Serjosha, do you have any idea who won finally the air war?
    Sincerely:
    TGR

    "Hard training - easy combat; easy training - hard combat"
    "speed is important, bustle is harmful"
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    Oh, is that your professional engineering opinion, my dear Mr. Tiger 205? Excellent. Please, proceed and give us a little bit more detailed explanation of this intriguing matter. And don’t worry – I am completely able to understand the power-flow block-diagrams of multi-station, non-linear unit-built work-flow lines, with all those transducers, measuring circuits, relays, amplifiers and actuators. You know, I was fortunate to have some good teachers, namely professor A. N. Malov, and assistant professor Yu. V. Ivanov.

    And I think that I do have some scientific recommendations for you too. Please, concentrate yourself upon the British heavy tank called Conqueror. And after that please read these highly intriguing articles:

    "Un Chieftain ameliore pour l’Iran": REVUE INTERNATIONELE DE DEFENSE, 1976. – Vol. 4

    Ogorkiewicz, R.: "Tank fire and gun control systems": INTERNATIONAL DEFENSE REVIEW, 1976. – No.1

    Drosen, E.: "Das automatische Laden der Panzerkanone": SOLDAT UND TECHNIK, 1983. – No. 10

    And why not introduced it?
    Well, basically due to lack of good sense in high places.

    In the meantime, as always – all the best.
    Ire Fortiter Quo Nemo Ante Iit!

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    Default Re: Iosif Stalin Tanks

    tanks

    http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/photo/photo_razd_03.htm
    http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/photo/photo_razd_01.htm

    Из разных стран мы смотрим на одни и те же сцены лишь герои разные.

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    Interesting, nice websites, but maybe not in the right thread.

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