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    T-10 was a last soviet heavy tank.
    After that the Soviet tank doctrine has been finally turned to mass production of medium T-54/55/64/72.

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    It seems the USSR had the same problems with heavy tanks as the UK and US did, they were unreliable and a massive drain on resources...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    It seems the USSR had the same problems with heavy tanks as the UK and US did, they were unreliable and a massive drain on resources...
    I'm not sure coz Americans has choosed the other way..
    American 60-tonns Abrams currently is the heavest tank of the worldand damn expensive..
    Recently i watched the film on DiscaveryScience about Abrams.They claimed its' the fastest tank ( 70 km /h), its' TWICE more speedy then the T-34, they proudly said.
    This is not true,of course.
    firstly T-34 was able to drive 50 km/h.
    secondary T-80 with gas-turbine yet in 1990 fly almost 85 km/h.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I'm not sure coz Americans has choosed the other way..
    American 60-tonns Abrams currently is the heavest tank of the worldand damn expensive..
    Recently i watched the film on DiscaveryScience about Abrams.They claimed its' the fastest tank ( 70 km /h), its' TWICE more speedy then the T-34, they proudly said.
    This is not true,of course.
    firstly T-34 was able to drive 50 km/h.
    secondary T-80 with gas-turbine yet in 1990 fly almost 85 km/h.
    I agree the M1A2 Abrams is heavy in the strictest sense of the word. But today we could argue that it's not that much heavier than its contemporaries such as the German Leopard II, the French LeClerc, and the British Challenger II. The M1 was designed from the ground up to use newer automotive technologies that could handle the weight and power needed and still provide vital reliability...

    The Abrams does use way too much fuel, and I think the US is now thinking of eventually replacing the aging, thirsty turbines with an MTU turbo-diesel unit once the Wars are settled. Incidently, I believe 70 kph is the limit with the restriction of the engine-governor. It should also be noted that the M1 actually has a far better cross-country performance due to its modern suspension and will not beat its crews near to death. According to Wiki, the tank can achieve speeds up to 97 kph with the restricter removed, but those speeds will pretty much destroys the suspension and eats the tracks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The Abrams does use way too much fuel, and I think the US is now thinking of eventually replacing the aging, thirsty turbines with an MTU turbo-diesel unit once the Wars are settled. Incidently, I believe 70 kph is the limit with the restriction of the engine-governor.
    The same with the T-90.
    It's equiped with turbo-diesel just like old simple and reliable T-72. The gas-turbine is damn expensive and its needs a THREE Times more fuel per each km of way.The other trouble of using the turbine - it needs a tonns of pure air , that might be the hard in the desert.The first T-80 had deserved the reputation of unreliable tank in Afganistan yet in 1980-yy becouse dust gets into the turbin, damagin superexpensive mechanism. Tank can be stopped with losing of functionality right on the battlefield ( with serious consequenced for crew). That's why soviet tank crews prefered the turbo-diesel T-72, inspite of newest active armor of T-80.
    The great speed of newest gas-turbin tanks wasn't endeed demanded at the condition of cont-partisan warfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I'm not sure coz Americans has choosed the other way..
    American 60-tonns Abrams currently is the heavest tank of the worldand damn expensive..
    Recently i watched the film on DiscaveryScience about Abrams.They claimed its' the fastest tank ( 70 km /h), its' TWICE more speedy then the T-34, they proudly said.
    This is not true,of course.
    firstly T-34 was able to drive 50 km/h.
    secondary T-80 with gas-turbine yet in 1990 fly almost 85 km/h.
    Heavy tanks were an outgrowth of WW1 really - the British for example had their Rhomboidal heavy tanks that were optimised for the break-in to the enemy positions but were so slow (due to the weight of armour and armament) that they couldn't move at more than walking pace for exploitation. They also had their Whippet tanks that were significantly faster (8mph) but with limited armour and armament. That division continued until enormously powerful engines became available at the back end of WW2, leading to the development of "Universal" or or "Main Battle" tanks which could fulfil both roles. The T-34 was close to being one (if a bit undergunned), and I'd personally rate the Centurion as being the first of these Universal tanks. T-80, Abrams, etc. are all examples of this type of tank - fast and heavily armoured with an extremely powerful main gun.
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    Sure Centurion was the first Universal medium tank in full sense, that btw seriously has impressed the soviets in 1949, when T-54 was developing.
    Especialy it's MK6 modification with 105 mm gun - the tank that made the Soviets engeneers to instal the smooth-barrel 110 mm gun on T-62 in hurry
    I don't think though the Heavy tank concept was ww1 outgrowth. The first really effective heavy tank was Tiger2 , that though had a unreliable transmittion and low speed ( 12-15 km/h accorging tests) . But all it was just "children's defects" that might be very soon eliminated . Just extremaly short time of combat service ( since end 1943 -1945) has not allowed the GErman designers to creat the real Heavy masterpiece IMO.
    The ww1 multi-turret monsters were in fact just easy targets for any-caliber artillery.Like Soviet T-35 ( the copy of british Vikkers)
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    Oh, no real argument that they were any good - just saying that the concept went back that far. Until the Centurion, the British had always used "Cruiser" tanks in the light role and "Infantry" tanks in the heavy role. So far as I'm aware (and my knowledge on this subject is pretty woeful), other countries used the same division between light and heavy tanks too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    Oh, no real argument that they were any good - just saying that the concept went back that far. Until the Centurion, the British had always used "Cruiser" tanks in the light role and "Infantry" tanks in the heavy role. So far as I'm aware (and my knowledge on this subject is pretty woeful), other countries used the same division between light and heavy tanks too.
    The French also had strict delineations between infantry and cavalry tanks,even though many of their designs were quite good and blurred the rigid distinctions with models such as the SOMUA S35. The US, insomuch as they had any tanks, also followed the infantry vs. cavalry model...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    T-10 was a last soviet heavy tank.
    After that the Soviet tank doctrine has been finally turned to mass production of medium T-54/55/64/72.
    Hello!

    For T-64/T-72 I prefer to use the Main Battle Tank definition.
    These tanks were able to fulfill the requirements for support, Tank vs tank fight and breakthrough. So - they were no any need for heavy tanks like T-10 (which was a preatty good beast - and not a rare one - several thousands had been produced!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Sure Centurion was the first Universal medium tank in full sense, that btw seriously has impressed the soviets in 1949, when T-54 was developing.
    Especialy it's MK6 modification with 105 mm gun - the tank that made the Soviets engeneers to instal the smooth-barrel 110 mm gun on T-62 in hurry
    I don't think though the Heavy tank concept was ww1 outgrowth. The first really effective heavy tank was Tiger2 , that though had a unreliable transmittion and low speed ( 12-15 km/h accorging tests) . But all it was just "children's defects" that might be very soon eliminated . Just extremaly short time of combat service ( since end 1943 -1945) has not allowed the GErman designers to creat the real Heavy masterpiece IMO.
    The ww1 multi-turret monsters were in fact just easy targets for any-caliber artillery.Like Soviet T-35 ( the copy of british Vikkers)
    Hello!
    I have an interesting story
    During the Hungarian revolution (uprising or counter-revolution earlier) in 1956 Hungarians captured a brand new soviet T-54 and handed over to the British Embassy. The tank shocked western experts - they declared the 100 mm gun very dangerous .
    So they developed the excellent and classic 105 mm gun.
    After the socialst countries face with this gun (e.g. Arab-Israel wars) they started to develop the smooth-bore guns (115 and later 125 mmm).
    So the circle of development has been closed

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    JS-3s finished their carrier in Budapest 1956.

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    Please excuse me for my continuous scientific impertinence, my dear Mr. Tiger 205, but in reality those Soviet engineers within the OKB-9 under direction of the Chief Engineer F. F. Petrov had actually constructed that legendary 115 mm smoothbore cannon 2A20 [army designation: U5-TS "Molot" (Hammer)] in 1958 – nine years before the Arabs even bumped into those very intelligently upgraded Israeli M48A3's with a new 105mm British L7 gun (emplaced in the Israeli Urdan cupola).

    You know – just for the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Librarian View Post
    You know – just for the record.
    Sure, whatever you say Librarian.

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