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    I have to ask!

    Why is it that when i'm watching some U.S. film in which S.F. are portrayed, that more often than not they are waring a pair of shades as if a pair of RayBans, being rather special shades, means that they are particularly special soldiers. Is this the perception of the American people?

    It's like "Hey! Guys! Pose with the rifle and the RayBans and no one will question your abilities...what?...Oh yeah..Who give a shit if you're holding the weapon incorrectly!" or "They're S.F. they're wearing their RayBans with their fatigues!"


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    Well I am not sure which film you are referring to but I will note that the military issues Oakley and Wily X sunglasses to most troops and both brands are rather expensive over here.

    Or maybe the makers simply think that since the Special Forces are bad asses they have to be wearing cool shades to complement their attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32Bravo View Post
    I have to ask!

    Why is it that when i'm watching some U.S. film in which S.F. are portrayed, that more often than not they are waring a pair of shades as if a pair of RayBans, being rather special shades, means that they are particularly special soldiers. Is this the perception of the American people?

    It's like "Hey! Guys! Pose with the rifle and the RayBans and no one will question your abilities...what?...Oh yeah..Who give a shit if you're holding the weapon incorrectly!" or "They're S.F. they're wearing their RayBans with their fatigues!"
    What about the Rambo style or even Willem Dafoe Platoon style (apparently modelled on Patsy's headgear in Monty Python and the Holy Grail) headbands?

    And unbranded at that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    What about the Rambo style or even Willem Dafoe Platoon style (apparently modelled on Patsy's headgear in Monty Python and the Holy Grail) headbands?

    And unbranded at that!

    Members of US special ops, such as the LURPs, often wore such bandannas (bandages actually) and headbands to break up their silhouette at night...

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    Correct. In many hot humid areas such as Vietnam many troops would wear an bandage or towel rolled up into a headband. It would keep the sweat from running into the wearers face but at the same time not trap the heat on top of the head like a helmet or boonie hat would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Members of US special ops, such as the LURPs, often wore such bandannas (bandages actually) and headbands to break up their silhouette at night...
    I can't see how the (alleged) Willem Dafoe type skull cap would help. It accentuates rather than breaks up the head sihouette, unless the veil on the back of the neck in the photo (which is of Tom Berenger who is who I had in mind in Platoon and not Willem Dafoe ) is meant to break up the image above the shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Members of US special ops, such as the LURPs, often wore such bandannas (bandages actually) and headbands to break up their silhouette at night...
    There's something gnawing at me about all that.

    There's bugger all silhouette at night most of the time in true jungle. Or even heavy to medium scrub.

    Usually infantry and even special ops go into night harbours in jungle, because it's too unsafe to move.

    The few who might move around still don't need headbands to break up virtually non-existent silhouettes. Even if they needed to break up a silhouette, a giggle hat with a bit of shrubbery would be more useful, which is what the the VC and PAVN used occasionally.

    I've done exercises on reasonably moonlit nights in just moderate scrub where you could be within a few yards of either emplaced or mobile troops with full gear who used the land for concealment and who wouldn't have been any better off with headbands etc.

    There may be some utility to these things, as there are to sunglasses for aviators, but that doesn't mean that the particular style is what is required, as with the style of sunglasses known as aviator sunglasses from the WWII pattern when they fail just about every current requirement. But they still look good, which may be why I still wear them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    Correct. In many hot humid areas such as Vietnam many troops would wear an bandage or towel rolled up into a headband. It would keep the sweat from running into the wearers face but at the same time not trap the heat on top of the head like a helmet or boonie hat would.
    I must be be in a nitpicking mode tonight, but I spent a few years working in an industry where we worked ten hour shifts five days a week starting from a bit below freezing (0C / 32F) in winter to very hot being well above (50C / 120F) with high humidity in summer, with steady physical work during the shift.

    I can't imagine why anyone working in such heat would put anything they didn't have to on their head, because anything just increases the heat unnecessarily. I'd rather sweat than increase the heat.
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    I spent 16 months working with CIDG on the Cambodian border.
    5th SFG.
    Never wore shades on operations, but I wore one of them head rag thingies at least half the time.
    Kept the sweat out of my eyes and mopped up in general.

    Rest of the time I wore a pork-pie hat.
    Kept the sun shaded a bit and did not interfere with vision.

    Guys actually doing the work are little concerned with perceptions of others.
    Emphasis is on the mission, proper equipment, and survival of mates and selves.

    As far as actual shades, in those days the required style in camp or other rear areas was wire rim AF glasses.
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    Default Re: Shades of Special Forces

    Do you mean something like this?:



    =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Do you mean something like this?:



    =D
    Yep!!!


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    Default Re: Shades of Special Forces

    I recall reading about the discrepancies between Rangers and Delta Force in Bowden's "Black Hawk Down". He wrote about Delta's stylish sun glasses as well as huge Casio wrist watches and fancy hair cuts. I remember a cartoon mentioned with Delta Force members wearing blow-dryers in their holsters instead of guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forager View Post
    I spent 16 months working with CIDG on the Cambodian border.
    5th SFG.
    Never wore shades on operations, but I wore one of them head rag thingies at least half the time.
    Kept the sweat out of my eyes and mopped up in general.

    Rest of the time I wore a pork-pie hat.
    Kept the sun shaded a bit and did not interfere with vision.

    Guys actually doing the work are little concerned with perceptions of others.
    Emphasis is on the mission, proper equipment, and survival of mates and selves.

    As far as actual shades, in those days the required style in camp or other rear areas was wire rim AF glasses.
    When we were in the ulu, it was a very rare occassion if ever we chaps sighted the sun. We operated in an emerald twilight and shades would have been ridiculous there, but even in areas of intense sunlight, shades were not considered good practice, if you get my drift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Do you mean something like this?:



    =D

    I'm sufficiently old fashioned to prefer spectacles which hook behind the ears.

    They don't fall off.

    Spectacles with straight arms either fall off or clamp to the head, which gives me a headache.

    Then again, I use spectacles for the presently unusual purposes of improving sight or reducing glare rather than as fashion accessories where they spend most of their time sitting on top of the wearer's head accumulating hair grease to interfere with vision in the unlikely event they're actually used for that purpose.
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    P.S. That awesome Blackwater bloke has a seriously bad hairy mole on the side of his face, even worse than a nightmare grandma could manage.

    No wonder he's angry.
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