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View Poll Results: Which plane suit you best, why?

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  • Supermarine Spitfire

    14 19.44%
  • Hawker Hurricane

    2 2.78%
  • Me 109s

    9 12.50%
  • Fw 190

    3 4.17%
  • A 6 M

    2 2.78%
  • P51s

    16 22.22%
  • F 4 U

    4 5.56%
  • P 47D

    5 6.94%
  • P 39 Lightning

    4 5.56%
  • Others, name it

    13 18.06%
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Thread: Fighters! If you can choose, which of these beauties you want to be in?

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    Default Fighters! If you can choose, which of these beauties you want to be in?

    Pretty clear on the topic, now state your reason

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    Default Re: Fighters! if you can choose, which of this beauty you want to be in

    Spitfire!

    The eternal fighter

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    Default Re: Fighters! if you can choose, which of this beauty you want to be in

    I second that, nice curves, good maneuverability.

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    Default Re: Fighters! if you can choose, which of this beauty you want to be in

    The P-38 had faults (as every other fighter had) but it was being built from the first of the war to the last.

    Saburo Sakai, the top surviving Japanese Navy ace, felt that range was very important. With long legs you could pick when and where to strike. In fact, Erich Hartmann, the Top German Ace of World War 2, wrote about how he would pick the time and place to make his attacks and did not like to make hasty attacks.

    Speed was also considered more important that maneuverability. With an advantage of speed you have the ability to dictate the engagement. You can attack at will and break off contact if the situation becomes unfavorable.

    Firepower and armor are also critical. The less effective the weapons are the more the pilot will have to substitute skill. The less effective the armor, the more likelihood any hits will be fatal.

    But the most important quality is a pilot who knows his aircraft and knows the enemy's (and that’s something we should all remember.)

    I choose the P-38 for its range, speed, firepower, and armor protection.

    And as Johannes Steinhoff said, when in an article where they asked him which was the most dangerous allied fighter, he said the P-38, because it was so hard to see and moved so fast it could be upon you before you realized it.

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    P-51 Mustang was the best! I still have to chance to use it since it is still used for air shows

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    I always liked the Yak stable of fighters in WW2.The Yak3 always seemed to me a great blend of speed,manouverability,firepower and damnable good looks.
    I believe the Germans issued orders to their pilots not to get involved with them at low level.

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    Well this was a hard choice for me but I had to pick the Jug mainly partially because it is probably the most underrated of fighters except perhaps the P-38. Sure the P-51 was probably the best combination of speed, range, maneuverability, and fire power during the war but the P-47 still had good range and was more rugged than the P-51 and packed more fire power while still being fast and pretty maneuverable especially for its size. Not to mention it was just as effective in the ground attack role as some of the planes purpose built as fighter bombers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    Well this was a hard choice for me but I had to pick the Jug mainly partially because it is probably the most underrated of fighters except perhaps the P-38. Sure the P-51 was probably the best combination of speed, range, maneuverability, and fire power during the war but the P-47 still had good range and was more rugged than the P-51 and packed more fire power while still being fast and pretty maneuverable especially for its size. Not to mention it was just as effective in the ground attack role as some of the planes purpose built as fighter bombers.
    Ever notice the top ETO aces used P-47s and the top PTO used P-38s. Just an observation.

    Deaf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaf Smith View Post
    Ever notice the top ETO aces used P-47s and the top PTO used P-38s. Just an observation.

    Deaf
    both planes are so indestructible,. i believe there were trials by the germans by putting more armors into FW190, however this was not working as the main foes of these fighters were bombers albeit carries more firepower, especially on the rear end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaf Smith View Post
    The P-38 had faults (as every other fighter had) but it was being built from the first of the war to the last.
    It first entered service in September 1940, so the statement is only true if you are just counting US involvement in WW2

    And as Johannes Steinhoff said, when in an article where they asked him which was the most dangerous allied fighter, he said the P-38, because it was so hard to see and moved so fast it could be upon you before you realized it.

    Deaf
    oddly enough the P-38 in its various marks was slower than other Allied fighters in European service.
    P-38L 414 mph
    P-51D 437 mph
    P-47D 435mph
    Spitfire XIV 447mph

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcoat View Post
    It first entered service in September 1940, so the statement is only true if you are just counting US involvement in WW2


    oddly enough the P-38 in its various marks was slower than other Allied fighters in European service.
    P-38L 414 mph
    P-51D 437 mph
    P-47D 435mph
    Spitfire XIV 447mph
    First statement true enought, nothing can beat Spitfire and Me 109 on its seniority over the war in the term of fighters, the two true long standing archrival.

    i would opt for P47 instead of P38 in the sense of psy effect on the enemy.
    me and redcoat, was once the opposite advocate of one hot arguments over the superiority of P47 somewhere,..

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    Default Re: Fighters! if you can choose, which of this beauty you want to be in

    I admire the Spitfire, and think well of most of the other choices.
    However: I Chose Others, Name them.

    Ta152 H1
    Do 335 B2
    P47 J

    Each of the above represents a significant peak of Piston-engined development, each was superlative in manoeuverability, and was capable of absorbing significant battle damage and surviving it, to bring the pilot back to base.

    I grant that my choices only saw limited combat action, or testing for it.
    However, the Ta152 H1 and P47 J both have well-known ancestors and thus can be said to have established track records.

    The Do335 Pfeil was tested operationally, and may have been briefly encountered in combat. Clostermann refers to having met a Pfeil, as does (from memory) Gabreski, or it may have been Yeager.

    Therefore, on the basis of existing records, the above three piston-powered aircraft are my choices.

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    Default Re: Fighters! if you can choose, which of this beauty you want to be in

    Quote Originally Posted by redcoat View Post
    It first entered service in September 1940, so the statement is only true if you are just counting US involvement in WW2


    oddly enough the P-38 in its various marks was slower than other Allied fighters in European service.
    P-38L 414 mph
    P-51D 437 mph
    P-47D 435mph
    Spitfire XIV 447mph
    Not exactly.

    The speeds given for each of those aircraft were at different altitudes and different power settings. Some were at 100 percent military and others at WEP.

    You have to find out what each one's speeds were at several different altitudes at specific power settings.

    This gives a bit of a hint.

    http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/p38.htm

    YP-38: 405 mph at 20,000 ft.
    P-38F-15-LO: 347 mph at 5,000 ft.
    P-38F-15-LO: 351 mph at 10,000 ft.
    P-38F-15-LO: 395 mph at 25,000 ft.
    P-38G-1-LO: 345 mph at 5,000 ft.
    P-38G-1-LO: 360 mph at 10,000 ft.
    P-38G-1-LO: 400 mph at 25,000 ft.
    P-38J-25-LO: 360 mph at 5,000 ft.
    P-38J-25-LO: 390 mph at 15,000 ft.
    P-38J-25-LO: 414 mph at 25,000 ft.

    But... P-38J's max speed at 25,800 was 421 mph.

    But even it does not indicate if at 100 pct military or WEP.

    http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-38/p-38.html

    Gives some good data on the P-38 but it's not inclusive.

    Here is another way to view the matter from the P47s viewpoint.

    http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47.html

    BTW, this website, http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/ has some of the best after action encounter reports for P-47 and P-51 pilots I've ever seen! Has Spitfire and other British aircraft to as well as ME-109 and FW-190 data.

    Deaf

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    Hi, there !!

    Mmmhhh, if we're talking about "beauty" litterally, I'm not quite sure aircraft
    such as the P47 or the Do335 can be considered.
    Two statements, therefore :
    A) Beauty: nr.1 is the Spitfire for sure, in each and every Mk; nr.2 the Ki84
    Hayate, nr.3 the Macchi Mc202.
    B) To be in : in combat I would have liked to be sitting in a P47D; the animal
    could stand major hits and at the same time give no chance to an opponent
    getting in it's gunsight.

    Bye.
    Bruno.

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    Not in the same category as the ones mentioned but one which did exceedingly well in a different fighter application against Japan: the Beaufighter.
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