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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    That was pretty much it in some cases, on my understanding. Or just awful overcrowding in camps with huts, with the same result, albeit taking longer.

    Some argue that the Germans couldn't cope with the large number of prisoners. (Well, of course they couldn't. They were flat out rounding up Jews and working up to getting rid of them at the time. )

    There is a serious argument that the Bataan deaths came more from poor organisation and unpreparedness for the number of prisoners http://www.philippine-scouts.org/Art...hRevisited.doc , but I think that while there is some validity in that argument (and ignoring the efforts of Col. Tsujii, the everywhereman of atrocities) it fails to explain why the Japanese did so badly in preserving POWs when the Allies (i.e. British at that stage) did so well in preserving Italian POWs in North Africa when they were captured in much greater numbers than the Allies could cope with.

    The only difference is in the attitude of the captor to the prisoner.



    Are you on the piss again?

    I posted that somewhere recently.

    Which, as I'm on the piss and have the mind of a cunning fox, occurred to me that it could be at #11 in this thread.

    (Okay, it didn't occur to me with that precision, but after trawling through a few threads for my pearls of wisdom I found them at #11. )
    Ha! Pissed on too much coffee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    By using what's available.

    Australian doctors and their support staff on the Burma Railway cleaned out ulcers with sharpened teaspoons; distilled drugs from local plants in stills made of local materials;and made medical implements from local items such as bamboo and other scavenged things such as food tins. They worked with what they had, as Albert Coates did in just one of many examples of such conduct.

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    It was really amazing.To clean out uncers with sharpened teaspoons.
    I don't know did the soviet doctors the same in Camps, but i hope yes, coz our so called "people's medicine" know the recipes of a drug , made from local plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    today must be one of the special days they have the electricity turned on in Russia
    It's all right with electricity.
    I was a bit busy , wathcing as our cripples ( with help of God, though ) have
    won the World Ice Hokkey champioship AGAIN.
    They executed both North Americans ( US and Canada).
    Canada fought to the most end. it was brilliant game.
    Amazing, it seems the Red Machine is back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    It's all right with electricity.
    I was a bit busy , wathcing as our cripples ( with help of God, though ) have
    won the World Ice Hokkey champioship AGAIN.
    They executed both North Americans ( US and Canada).
    Canada fought to the most end. it was brilliant game.
    Amazing, it seems the Red Machine is back
    You can thank us for that, we gave you our boundlessly great coach Lindy Ruff which no doubt contributed to your victory.

    Actually he's been a pretty good hockey coach for the Buffalo Sabres, but he's been here far too long and his style is stale on lost on the players (here). I sort of wish Canada would keep him...

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    Being a career US Soldier and spending some time with the British Army on the Rhine in the ‘70’s I observed differences between US and British NCO’s. Honestly, at that time, I think the Brits were more “professional” the we, and the enlisted men had a different attitude towards them (then the US GI’s had for us).
    I would venture that this “professionalism” is a long tradition and the Brit. Leadership could explain much of the disparity between the WWII POW’s conduct.

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    Probably more to do with the fact that British NCOs tend to have been in the army for much longer than their US equivalents at the same rank.
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    It should also be said that NCO's of the early to late 1970s would have been underpaid. I sure that this combined with the Vietnam hangover thereby thinned the ranks of some, though certainly not all, of the better qualified men who may have sought other careers...

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    For a Soldier there arn't very many other careers.

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