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    Quote Originally Posted by Werecat View Post
    I've often read, or heard Germans that were alive druing WW2 describe the Red Army as a "Mongol Horde." Esepcially when they came into Germany itself. By the time the Red Army got to Berlin historians have said that many of the Red Army soldiers were Asian and didn't even speak Russian. I have to say that I've rarely seen Asian soldiers in Soviet Propagandha photos. Who knows if this was on purpose, or not. V. Lenin himself had a somewhat Mongolian looking face.
    And the allied called the Germans "HUNS", it is amazing what you can do with words
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werecat View Post
    I've often read, or heard Germans that were alive druing WW2 describe the Red Army as a "Mongol Horde." Esepcially when they came into Germany itself. By the time the Red Army got to Berlin historians have said that many of the Red Army soldiers were Asian and didn't even speak Russian. I have to say that I've rarely seen Asian soldiers in Soviet Propagandha photos. Who knows if this was on purpose, or not. V. Lenin himself had a somewhat Mongolian looking face.
    Yes i heard about german racial sentences toward asians too.They liked Asians almost as much as the jews
    Funny enough, especialy if to keep in mind that one of their Best axial ally was .......asiatic Japane.
    As for me , i met few of asian in my army, couple were in my platoon.( One from Syberia, second from Kalmykia)). They actualy speak russian very bad.
    Can't say nothing negavite about that people , russian muslims conscripts from Dagestan created much more problems for us tha all asians together.
    Last edited by Chevan; 05-14-2009 at 06:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Funny enough, especialy if to keep in mind that one of their Best axial ally was .......asiatic Japane.
    Frankly, I'm not so sure about that. I've never really read about the relation between Germany and Japan, and we obviously can't ask Hitler anymore, but I always had the feeling that he saw Japan more or less as a means to the end, a way to keep Russia and Britain busy on the other end of the world while he goes around conquering Europe and Africa (or so was the plan)
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    Other question:

    Was there any difference in treatment for Aryan-looking Russians? It's obvious that there were/are Russians that won't fit into the Nazi's stereotype of how Russians looked, and from what I've seen, many look almost as if they had jumped out of Hitler's book for the ideal Aryan.

    Must have surprised some of the most brainwashed soldiers when the Russians didn't all look like either Mongols or Neanderthals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Frankly, I'm not so sure about that. I've never really read about the relation between Germany and Japan, and we obviously can't ask Hitler anymore, but I always had the feeling that he saw Japan more or less as a means to the end, a way to keep Russia and Britain busy on the other end of the world while he goes around conquering Europe and Africa (or so was the plan)
    As i know Hitler hoped to keep mostly USA busy with Japane , out from European war.Japanes falled short of Hitler's expectration to attack USSR during authumn 1941.
    Furher was so glad when Japanes attacked Perl-Harbour, that immediately has declared war on America.
    To his bitter woe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Other question:

    Was there any difference in treatment for Aryan-looking Russians?
    i doubt it.
    Although the separate ethnic group of non aryan-looking red army soldiers/officers like jews( or commissars- the same in germans eyes) , should be immediately executed according Wehrmach order - can we call it "different treatment"?
    Probably aryan-looking russians might hope for better destiny (if not die month later from hunger or sickness in camp) .
    though about 2 mln of Soviet pows have survived the captivity, so we can conclude that GErmans didn't kill everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Frankly, I'm not so sure about that. I've never really read about the relation between Germany and Japan, and we obviously can't ask Hitler anymore, but I always had the feeling that he saw Japan more or less as a means to the end, a way to keep Russia and Britain busy on the other end of the world while he goes around conquering Europe and Africa (or so was the plan)
    I ever red somewhere,. when singapore fell to Japanese,
    not everyone in Germany were too happy..

    Hitler murmured,." should the british had had accepted his terms on the peace over europe, they would not need knelt to the asians,."

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    In 1989 in Lithuania not all of lithuanian people speaking in russian, and what?
    Normaly in USSR if you are living at the village russian language not necessary to you.
    At the scool, at work you will use your native language (in USSR were more then 150 languages)

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    Quote Originally Posted by freyir_33 View Post
    Interesting question, on soviet propaganda posters you often have scenarios of brothers in arms from the different repulics, but I have not found many war Photoes of red army (east)Asian's in action.



    But maybe I should ask the guy on photo standing at the back,

    There lots fotoes with asians in RKKA but in Soviet Union it wasn`t a point who you are. Point was what you do.
    Most of middle asian soldiers were very low educated and badly speaking Russian unless soviet authorities attempts to inegrate them in education programms.
    Most of Russian vests discribes it like " one injured 10 carry him to evacutain point." or " one killed ten sitting around him and crying" and it all happened during fighting.
    Often can find info that assault group was formed from slavyanians as best fighters. During Kerch operation Kozlov asked for slavyanian reenforcement without central asians soldiers.
    For item: Central Asian Republics is Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan and ets. Mongolia was never part of Soviet Union. Tatars too long leaves with Russians are hardly distinguished current days.
    Птицы смерти в зените стоят,
    Кто идет выручать Ленинград?
    Не шумите вокруг-он дышит,
    Он живой ещё,
    Он всё слышит,
    Как на влажном, балтийском дне
    Сыновья его стонут во сне.
    Как из недр его вопли:- Хлеба!!!
    До седьмого доходят неба.
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