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    Question Bren/Scout carrier.

    Hi all.

    As some of you might know, I'm trying to find info on the BEF in France in 1940.

    In doing so, I was wondering about the carrier's.
    I know that, before the universial carrier, there were other carriers, namely the scout and bren carrier.

    I was wondering if anyone had any info about the carriers that were used by the unids in France in 1940. Profiles and photo's would be the best, cause I'm considering making one sutch vehicle if I can find enough information.

    Thanks to anyone who shares information.

    Cheers,
    Joppe

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    Default Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    Apparently it seems difficult to find information on these early Carriers. I tried Google a few times, but no luck so far...

    Any photo's of any theatre would be good to make one, as I have found the markings used, now I just need info on the vehicle.

    Hope anyone can turn up with something.

    Cheers,
    Joppe

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    Default Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    leccy tried to reply to this thread several times. However his posts got stuck in the anti-spam net - for whatever reason. Here's what he wrote:

    Found this on Amazon
    From the reviews I have read it seems quite good.

    Universal Carrier 1936-48: The 'bren Gun Carrier' Story (New Vanguard) (Paperback)

    A couple of links

    http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...en_carrier.htm
    http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/carriers/index.html

    A nice pic sort of related to 1940
    http://flickr.com/photos/janinespics...050@N23/page2/
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    Default Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    Alright...

    Nice pictures. I know of the vanguard series. Actualy have some of their books. The link however doesn't work, but maybe I can order it somewere using the ISBN code or something...

    The pictures are of Universal Carriers.
    Look here at what I'm after more specificly.



    Edit: image did not show on my pc, so here's the link:
    http://www.findonvillage.com/p1424_tanks_0258.jpg

    Thanks all for responding!

    Cheers,
    Joppe.

    P.S.: found the links by google.

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    Lightbulb Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    The Bren, and later, Universal carrier evolved out of the Martel/Carden-Lloyd/Vickers carriers/light tanks. While such details as engines and armaments (where a weapon was fitted at all) do differ, the common point in the carrier family is the Horstmann suspension and usually a V8 motor derived from a Ford truck engine.

    The various Commonwealth nations each produced Universal Carriers from local resources after the standardised UK pattern.
    While the name Universal Carrier thus becomes the official one, the vehicles were most commonly referred to as "Bren Carriers" regardless of the vehicle pattern. Again, the common points here being the V8 and Hortsmann suspension.

    The carriers used by 2BEF were almost all "proper" Bren Carriers, intermingled with a much much smaller percentage of Carden-Lloyd MarkIV or "Dragon" Carriers. These latter vehicles in fact become the pattern for the "Universal Carrier" which adopted the body style of the larger Carden-Lloyd vehicles on the smaller Bren Carrier chassis.

    As to paint and markings, most Carriers of whichever description were in khaki drab rather than the pre-war dark green and Unit markings were invariably on or near the front mudguards, and on or near the rear plate of the vehicle.
    One other thing of note: the vehicles were fast, even very fast by the standards of the day. Forty miles per hour 65kph, was regarded as normal, while in many cases the engine "governors" were mickied-up to let loose speeds as high as 55 miles per hour, close enough to 83 kilometers per hour. That's very damn fast for any tracked vehicle.

    I have seen at close hand one of very few surviving Carden-Lloyd MarkIV Carriers to remain in existence. While it is somewhat more crude and larger than the Bren/Universal Carrier in my view it is actually a better vehicle, in as much as it's ability to mount and carry weapons and crew was superior to the Bren/Universal Carrier "child" that evolved from it.

    Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 03-07-2009 at 08:26 AM.

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    Default Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    Hmm... interesting reading, thank you very much!

    I'll just have to wait untill more pictures come available then, I think, if I want to build one, or wait for the conversion...
    http://www.resicast.com/pages/hot_stuffpag.html

    Cheers,
    Joppe

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    Default Re: Bren/Scout carrier.

    Quote Originally Posted by jopped View Post
    Hmm... interesting reading, thank you very much!

    I'll just have to wait untill more pictures come available then, I think, if I want to build one, or wait for the conversion...
    http://www.resicast.com/pages/hot_stuffpag.html

    Cheers,
    Joppe
    You're more than welcome, and I hope the little bit of info helps

    Regards, Uyraell.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
    "Ill unto he who ill of it thinks."
    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
    "Be It Done, Best be It Be Done Well."
    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
    "^Winged Ones^ : Love or Wrath."

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