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    Default Re: BEF Tanks

    I think the jerry's seen here are just curious infantery who take the chanse of looking inside a tank. What about the open engine deck? Would the British crew have removed some parts from the engine so the German's couldn't use it?

    Also barely visibly, the tank is camoflaged. Look at the different shades of colour on GALAHAD and the T number. It's also visible at the front, where the white square is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jopped View Post
    I think the jerry's seen here are just curious infantery who take the chanse of looking inside a tank. What about the open engine deck? Would the British crew have removed some parts from the engine so the German's couldn't use it?

    Also barely visibly, the tank is camoflaged. Look at the different shades of colour on GALAHAD and the T number. It's also visible at the front, where the white square is.

    Cheers,
    Joppe
    Standard Operational Procedure would be to remove or smash either the rotor from the distributor, the brushes from the generator/alternator or both, along with smashing the fuel pump.

    However: even assuming the crew took the time to do so (and many, many did not) those parts are relatively easily replaced, it being that precisely those parts are most easily replaced by commercial equivalents off trucks or buses for example. As similar abandoning of vehicles later took place in Tunisia/Libya etc it seems fairly obvious that a vehicle could be put back into service with relative ease, even if standard procedure was followed.

    If you are a mechanical engineer tasked with putting an enemy back in service there is usually a way to do so, given availability of components adaptable to the vehicle's needs.

    I know of one circumstance where three Pz3's were put back into service by the Brits in Nth Africa: a neighbour of Mine was one of the guys that did that job at that time. One of the Pz3's was running with parts from two different Brit trucks: the fuelpump off one, and the distributor off another.

    That example led me to think the pic on the site may well have been a similar case, or one in-the-making, so to speak.

    As to the camouflage, at the 1940 stage there were basically two standard UK patterns in existence, but neither seems to have been very rigidly adhered-to. One is an irregular series of dark or earth brown splotches on a dark green basecoat, the other replaces the dark brown with a dark charcoal giving the effect of a matte black. Neither seems to have been uncommon, but again neither seems to have been enforced/imposed upon 2BEF Units in 1940.

    Wiser heads than mine may be able to answer camouflage questions in greater detail.

    Regards, Uyraell.

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    Default Re: BEF Tanks

    Well, so far you've proven yourself to be a great teacher to me! Many thanks.

    Cheers,
    Joppe

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    Quote Originally Posted by jopped View Post
    Well, so far you've proven yourself to be a great teacher to me! Many thanks.

    Cheers,
    Joppe
    My friend, I'm just glad the fragments of knowledge I have are of some use to you.
    You are more than welcome, though I do admit to occasional lapses of memory: some stuff mentioned in these pages I haven't so much as thought of in over 25 years.

    Kind Regards, Uyraell.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
    "Ill unto he who ill of it thinks."
    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
    "Be It Done, Best be It Be Done Well."
    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
    "^Winged Ones^ : Love or Wrath."

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