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    Question Should the gov't change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    i say yes - it would serve as an important reminder of the true cost of war, the sons and daughters and fathers and brothers and sisters who are gone. it may help the average citizen who hasnt seen war but from the comfort of their living roooms understand that war should be avoided until all other means of resolution have been exhausted. not only that but i think we have the right to see them, the right to see what war really is - Prez Obama says he may change that policy be details are sketchy. i was wondering where everyone else stood on that issue...
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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    I know there was a kerfuffle in America about photographs of soldiers' coffins in a plane a few years back but, probably like many forum members outside the US, I don't know what the current policy is. Could you tell us?
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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    in 2000, the US military under Prez Clinton put a ban on photos of american soldiers in their coffins with the flag over them. they said that the ban is in place to protect the privacy of the soldiers and their families, which would make sense except for the fact that names and personal information is not released when just a snapshot of a cargo hold bringing back the dead men / women is taken. This is why many ppl feel it is a means of the Pentagon "sanitizing" the horrors of war. right now it is illegal to publish photos of the scene or to take them. and if caught as some have been lately ppl will be fired from their position in the military or as military contractors, and usually an amount of pressure on the paper or tv program that published them is next from the govt.

    many feel that the ban is in direct conflict with the FOIA and the US Bill of Rights, specifically that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

    the following article i found may explain it better:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ins-of-return/

    and this image is one i believe should be allowed, no names, no faces, nothing but an image of fallen men/women who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their nation and clearly in the photo full respect is being given by the military ppl present. there is nothing shameful or disrespectful in this photo or in its use as long as journalists use these types of photos responsibly.
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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    No matter the case its still a sad and bone chilling sight




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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    The purpose is still to respect the fallen. I am not for trying to hide casualties by any means but simply because a fallen soldier has been placed in a flag draped coffin doesn't mean they should be used as a photo op to invoke feelings with the general public. Individual soldiers’ identities may not be reveled by these photos but it still just has the feeling of invoking upon their right to privacy. They gave their lives for their country and I think the least we could do is let them rest in peace. By the same note I wouldn’t have anything against photographers taking pictures if the families had approved of this and thought the public should see but I think the final decision should be made by the families.

    Just my 2 cents worth on the subject.

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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    By the same note I wouldn’t have anything against photographers taking pictures if the families had approved of this and thought the public should see but I think the final decision should be made by the families.
    i agree - a recent poll showed that nearly 70% of the families would support the reversal of the policy. but youre completely right - it must be done tastefully and with complete respect for our heroes.
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    Default Re: should the govt change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    My intuition says NO.

    After reflection, here's a couple of reasons:

    • The majority of US media is Liberal, and hates the fact that Bush liberated Iraq from one of the world's tyrants. They have consistently displayed this bias, and given the opportunity would obviously use the coffins to continue to push their agenda while ignoring balanced reporting.
    • Islamic extremists could also use this footage for propaganda purposes.
    • It's no new thing for the US to limit the press when it comes to issues associated with a war effort.
    • Casualty figures are freely available, why does the press need a photo of an anonymous coffin?


    I wouldn't fight this one all the way to the Supreme Court, but it's the way I lean.

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    Unhappy Re: Should the gov't change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    On HBO this weekend " Taking Chance" its a story about escorting one of our hero's home.
    http://www.hbo.com/films/takingchance/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iphqTnVkOA

    This is based on a true story. Yes I think we should show flag drapped coffins coming home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    The purpose is still to respect the fallen. I am not for trying to hide casualties by any means but simply because a fallen soldier has been placed in a flag draped coffin doesn't mean they should be used as a photo op to invoke feelings with the general public. Individual soldiers’ identities may not be reveled by these photos but it still just has the feeling of invoking upon their right to privacy. They gave their lives for their country and I think the least we could do is let them rest in peace. By the same note I wouldn’t have anything against photographers taking pictures if the families had approved of this and thought the public should see but I think the final decision should be made by the families.
    That argument is fair, reasonable, and compelling.

    But, against it, I'd ask: Have we become too squeamish about such things in our modern politically correct, touchy feely, new age Western world?

    Nobody bothered to ask for the victims' families' consent before publishing pictures of dead and wounded soldiers up to Vietnam, so what's changed since? Can anyone imagine what it must be like to be a member of the family of the captured unarmed Viet Cong executed by being shot in the head by the South Vietnamese police chief when that film is played, as it has been countless times?

    What about the bodies of the American civilian contractors hanging off the bridge in Iraq? Are American civilian contractors' families less deserving of the preservation of their and their dead relatives' privacy than those of service people? Or did it just suit American propaganda purposes at the time to exploit those images to fuel hostility towards the enemy and support for a baseless war, while images of flag draped service people's coffins are prohibited because it acts against those purposes?

    Nor are the same restriction placed on rather more graphic images of the dead without coffins, never mind flags to conceal them, on the other side, so what's so special about the American or other Coalition dead if it's based on current concepts of human rights, of which privacy is just one current manifestation, when human rights obviously apply equally to all humans?

    War is, obviously, anything but politically correct, touchy feely or new age, so it might be a good thing to have people's noses rubbed in what is going on a lot more, as happened with Vietnam, instead of getting only those sanitised images which politically aware defence people choose to release. Which is precisely why the military don't want a repeat of their famous loss of the TV war in Vietnam.

    Censoring images of flag draped coffins is as much a government exploitation of war dead for political and propaganda purposes as using selected images to support the government's war, in Iraq, Afghanistan or in any earlier war. The former is suppression, the latter expression, but the purpose is the same: to manipulate public opinion in ways favourable to government policies and actions.

    It is absurd to prohibit publication of flag draped coffins when the same flag draped coffins can be exhibited in church during a funeral service and exposed to the public in a funeral procession as in the following sad instance, which I expect has been played out in many parts of America in recent years.

    After the church service, the Patriot Guard riders escorted the funeral cortege through Athens to the cemetery, where the Fort Gordon funeral detail fired a three-volley salute. A bugler played "Taps," and the soldiers folded up the American flag that draped Dressler's coffin and presented it to Dressler's young widow.
    http://onlineathens.com/stories/0615...70615046.shtml

    The only difference is that local public views of flag draped coffins in isolated instances dotted around the country is a lot less influential on national public opinion than having them splashed across the main newspapers and news services.

    Anyway, that's my view from down here.

    And if I've unintentionally trodden on American toes about the US flag in such circumstances due to my lack of understanding of Americans' sentiments about it, I apologise.
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    Default Re: Should the gov't change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    that is interesting - rising sun - and true - during the vietnam war it was "ok" to show the pictures and even though some journalists decided not to, they had the right to do so. it wasnt until the first prez bush that that policy was reversed - i know the official answer but my rhetorical question is why?

    as far as the majority of media being bias - this is true but for every bill oreilly out there there is an al franken, for every ann coulter, there is a michael moore - none of which are good sources of information if you ask me.

    the point here isnt that the war was a mistake in iraq (which even after all the facts are coming out ppl still cant or wont face that fact) -or that afganistan is a much more warranted affair and needs more awareness and resources and coverage than anything else right now - but the point here is that americans are watching NUMBERS tick across the screen on cnn, fox, msnbc, (or insert your favorite cable news show here) but not seeing the coffins- not being able to place an image with some random name john doe from Iowa garners less thought than a picture of his sacrifice - a picture speaks a thousand words, you can look at the numbers of servicemen and women killed in any incident and even though the NUMBER is high - i think the picture of them coming home (which again any picture ive seen is somber, respectful, and clearly a sign that the military is not shoving bodies into cargo holds carelessly, but with all the respect and honor they deserve) is a better way to convey that these are not NUMBERS on a screen, they are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, patriots who gave their lives for the rest of us, for what they felt was worth their life itself.

    i think we should all take a step back from the politics of this whole debacle and digest the fact that americans (dems and repubs and independants too) are dying and the military specifically the pentagon, does not want to lose the tv war of vietnam all over again as was previously said. they want americans to support the troops and support the military, but within limits so they can control (or sensor if you prefer) the information. i dont affiliate with any specific major political party - i find myself in the center most times - just for the record - but again i feel that if americans are dying, and the families are for it (the reversal and some studies show they are) then the military has absolutley no right to prohibit photos being taken or shown to the public. they have no right to sneak these brave warriors in the back door and dole out a number and not a name - i am proud to be an american and i am proud of any servicemember past or present. as an american i personally am outraged by this and hope that the new admin. does infact reverse that policy - i will also add that with that reversal ppl will do with pictures as they have for thousands of years with books and art and such - use them however they want for whatever they want to convey - that is no argument for sensorship - how will the terrorists benefit from the reversal? they hate us now, they hated us before and i fear they will hate us for some time - im more concerned with this country and its citizens and the democratic process and freedom of information than i am of how some easily mislead, uneducated hate mongers with no concept of life itself will use a photograph. i love this country and men and women continue to die and it breaks my heart - why stop at the photograph? why not shut down the msg boards who "talk" about the photos? could they not be also used by the terrorists? or politicians? or bias media? i dunno i just feel we are being spoonfed some really gross medicine that isnt helping the sickness you know what i mean? if that makes sense...
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    Default Re: Should the gov't change its policy on pictures of flag draped coffins?

    wow sorry for the long azz post
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    Inducted: 6/43
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