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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_on_re_af/piracy

    [QUOTE]NAIROBI – Somali pirates said Thursday that they were freeing a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and other heavy weapons after receiving a $3.2 million ransom. The U.S. Navy said it was watching the pirates leaving the ship.

    The MV Faina was seized by bandits in September in one of the most brazen acts in a surge of attacks on shipping off the Somali coast. Vessels from the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet surrounded it after it was seized to make sure the cargo did not get into the hands of Somali insurgent groups linked to al-Qaida.

    A spokesman for the owners said that the pirates had received a ransom but it was far below their original demand of $20 million.

    Mikhail Voitenko said the pirates were leaving the ship in small groups on boats carrying portions of the ransom. U.S. seamen were inspecting the departing boats to make sure they weren't taking weapons from the Faina's cargo, Voitenko said.

    "The U.S. Navy is observing the pirates departing the ship," a U.S. Navy official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

    The U.S. did not immediately comment on whether it was inspecting the boats.

    Pirate spokesman Sugule Ali told The Associated Press by satellite phone that the pirates were leaving the ship slowly because the waters are "a bit turbulent."

    "The whole thing is practically over and done with," Ali said from the central Somali coastal town of Harardhere, near where the MV Faina is anchored. "Our plan is to abandon the ship today (Thursday), by early evening at the latest."

    Ali said his group was paid a ransom of $3.2 million, which he said was dropped by plane.

    "We are not holding it (the ship) now anymore," Aden Abdi Omar, one of the pirates who left the ship told the AP from Harardhere. "But our men should disembark first for it to move to wherever it wants."

    Ukraine's president said earlier that the ship had already been freed.

    Presidential spokeswoman Irina Vannikova was quoted as telling Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency that "the ship is now under the guard of forces of the U.S. navy and is preparing to head for the Kenyan port of Mombasa."

    The crew includes 17 Ukrainians, two Russians and a Latvian, Russian news agencies said.

    A total of 111 attacks on ships of the Somali coast were reported last year, with 42 seized.

    Analysts say although attempts to hijack ships remain steady at around 15 a month, the pirates are proving less successful. The pirates took two ships in December and three ships since the beginning of the year, compared with seven in November and five in October.

    Graeme Gibbon Brooks, managing director of the British company Dryad Maritime Intelligence Service Ltd., said the drop was partly attributable to activity by nations that have sent ships to deter attacks and partly to unseasonably bad weather. Most of the 16 attempted hijackings in 2009 occurred in the first two weeks of January, when the weather was good.

    But the pirates were showing a worrying new sophistication in their attacks, he said, jamming emergency frequencies with Arabic music or sending out false distress calls to lure warships away.

    Somalia does not have a coast guard or navy because it has not had a functioning government since warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991. They then turned on each other, reducing Somalia to anarchy and chaos.[QUOTE]


    Now I don't want to sound like someone who thinks firepower is the solution to every problem, but am I the only one wondering why some country hasn't gone in and forcibly retaken a ship. A S.E.A.L. Team would be excellent for this task and a few crews of pirates get killed it would be an mighty big deterrent to other groups of pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    Now I don't want to sound like someone who thinks firepower is the solution to every problem, ...
    Perhaps not a solution, but definitely a resolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    ... but am I the only one wondering why some country hasn't gone in and forcibly retaken a ship. A S.E.A.L. Team would be excellent for this task and a few crews of pirates get killed it would be an mighty big deterrent to other groups of pirates.
    I think many of us have wondered that.

    As we have wondered why so many lawless states, such as Zimbabwe, North Korea, and Burma are allowed to continue while the rest of the world stands by yet intervenes in places like Iraq on the flimsiest pretext.

    I assume that there is some reason of huge geopolitical significance which ensures that Somalia is a 'hands off' area for the UN and the major powers, just like Dhafur.

    I just wish someone would tell me what the reason is that allows us to stand by and permit murder, rape, pillaging and dispossession of people who had very little to lose to begin with, yet we get all wound up about despots we've supported for years, like Saddam Hussein.
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    Well at least I know I’m not alone in wondering why action hasn't been taken against the Somalis. It seems like ever few weeks someone is paying a few million dollars ransom for the release of a ship and its crew but I haven't seen one news story calling for any action against the pirates except those to prevent them from taking a ship in the first place. And a U.S. warship watching the pirates leave the Ukrainian vessel after they were paid? I know the U.S. military has some misgivings when it comes to Somalia but come on, they were on a warship. Time for target practice; RPGs and AK-47s are usually triumphed by a 5 inch deck gun.

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    The Japanese Naval Defense Force is escorting Japanese ships or ships carrying Japanese people or cargo that go through the area...hope they are at least useful.

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    You would expect somebody to kill those bastards already. They weren't even holding the ship anymore and they were still left alone? What the heck is that!?
    One can only wonder why countries like the US, UK or Germany have Seals if they don't use them for something like this, which seems to be exactly what they were trained for in the first place...

    Totally different question, though: What was an Ukrainian ship filled with heavy weaponry doing down there, anyway?! And that they traveled to Kenya can't be a good sign, either...
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    Officially the Kenyan government ordered a bunch of tanks from the Ukraine. Unofficially they are probably for resale to the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (? - whatever the main rebel group in the south is anyway).
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    There are a whole host of legal issues, specifically what to do with any prisoners taken. I know it would be nice to sink all their boats and let them drowned, but it is considered bad form and even worse PR. And secondly, there have already been accidents as an Indian Navy frigate already attacked the wrong ship...

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    The prisoner problem is easy to solve; it they resist kill them, if they surrender disarm them and send them back on their way along with their dead companions. The primary goal is to recapture the ship and crew without forking up millions of dollars in ransom, not necessarily to kill the pirates themselves. Also in the above situation a U.S. Navy ship observed the pirates leaving the vessel after the ransom was paid. There can’t be much doubt as to them being the pirates in that case.

    Are there other legal issues to worry about? The act of piracy is pretty much illegal no matter which law is applied.

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    Maybe many people in responsible positions remember some serious past troubles with these bunch of semi-savages, high on booze and Khat and armed with AK's and RPG's.
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    Well, sadly we're no longer living in a time where a French Armada can simply sail up to a prominent pirate-port and shell it for two days straight to teach them a lesson.
    That might actually be a quite effective deterrent, though.

    Worked for the French...
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    We need more of that. Two pirates at a time, if necessary
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    does anyone have info on how a pirate attack happens?.......threatening the ship with an RPG or just throwing up a rope ladder?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Devil View Post
    Are there other legal issues to worry about? The act of piracy is pretty much illegal no matter which law is applied.
    No, there is a practical issue. The crews of the captured ships are held ashore as hostages. Unless you release them first (which would take a major commando raid, not just special forces) then grabbing the ship is pointless.
    Oh, and it is entirely possible that the pirates will claim asylum if taken to a first world country for trial...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    No, there is a practical issue. The crews of the captured ships are held ashore as hostages. Unless you release them first (which would take a major commando raid, not just special forces) then grabbing the ship is pointless.
    A possible solution to this, and the general Somali piracy problem, would be to send in Q ships, which are equipped and manned to annihilate the pirates as they attack.

    Once they suffer some defeats and can no longer be sure whether the ship they are attacking is capable of destroying them, most piracy will stop as they are relying upon their superior firepower to take the ship. When that position is reversed they lose their advantage, and the incentive to be bully boys.

    This suggestion assumes, of course, that pirates do not have prior intelligence about which ships to attack, which I suspect they may have and which cannot be overcome by introducing Q ships.
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