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    i just resently read some things on a canadian dispatch rider and iw as wondering what kind of machines they used. i know they used the Harley Davidson WLC and the Norton 16H motor cycles but i was also wondering about there Triumph and Indian motor cycles. Also was there offensive biker units and what kind of bikes did the germans use (you know the one with the side car) all help is a appreciated.



    I guess the Russians had them to cause these men have DP-28s
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    I'm not a motorcycle junky, but I know Indian made a military bike as well as a lot of police bikes before, during, and after WWII...

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    The Indian 741 was the standard bike they made for the Army, the 841 was an experimental larger model that nixed in favor of the Jeep...

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    So no one could find any info on any German or allied tactics cause i know they were used to send messages from armoured units to armoured units and i know they were Command posts main way of quick package delivery. But i once saw a propoganda poster of a man doing a wheelie on one and he had a M1 in the Rifle Holister and in the background was a knight on a horse with it on its hind legs and it kinda showed they used them offensivly and u also always see germans with there side cars and MG 34s so they obviously attacked with them and i know the germans had bicycle unit that carried MG 34s under the frame of the bike for offensive action. so i am wondering about the offensive actions of these fine machines or just waht kind of bikes they were other then the three we already got. Pictures would help to!
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    Within the Wehrmacht you got to differentiate between Dispatch Riders ("Krad-Melder") and regular motorbike troops ("Krad-Schützen", usually Battalion strength).
    It's unlikely that a Dispatch Runner uses a bike with sidecar (and mounted MG) since he's acting all on his own, hence the "Solo-Krad".

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    Krad-Melder (with "Solo-Krad") and a column of Krad-Schützen (with "Beiwagen-Krad)
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    Well How did they use the Motor cycle soldat
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    I would use them as a light recon vehicle. I wonder what they were actually used for...

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    well no shit i asked if they fought hence why i said offensivly how were they used
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    As Churchill wrote, primarily they were supposed to do recce tasks. However with the Wehrmacht forced more and more onto the defensive they were basically used for everything (filling front gaps, motorized infantry etc. pp.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicemanCDN View Post
    So no one could find any info on any German or allied tactics cause i know they were used to send messages from armoured units to armoured units and i know they were Command posts main way of quick package delivery. But i once saw a propoganda poster of a man doing a wheelie on one and he had a M1 in the Rifle Holister and in the background was a knight on a horse with it on its hind legs and it kinda showed they used them offensivly and u also always see germans with there side cars and MG 34s so they obviously attacked with them and i know the germans had bicycle unit that carried MG 34s under the frame of the bike for offensive action. so i am wondering about the offensive actions of these fine machines or just waht kind of bikes they were other then the three we already got. Pictures would help to!
    THANKS!!!

    With my limited knowledge on the subject (resulting from some research I did on the "One Percenters" motorcycle gangs that arose in the US and Canada largely sprung from War Vets that were trained in the War), I think the US use of motorcyclists as dispatch riders was rather limited due to the success of the Jeep and other smaller four wheel vehicles. They were certainly used and motorcycles saw action in all theaters, but they were limited and really didn't play that big of a part despite the romantic aspects...

    The "trick" you saw with the rider using an M-1 was more likely a demonstration unlikely to be useful in combat. And motorcyclists were never useful as any sort of neo-cavalry any more than horsemen were. They were however extensively trained and from what I saw had to undergo a rigorous training program riding over rough terrain. Some were used as perhaps pickets or for recon, but they had limited usefulness in combat, even as runners. The resources allocated for bikes were better spent in Jeeps and other four wheel vehicles which could carry more people and cargo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicemanCDN View Post
    well no shit
    No need to be snippy!

    i asked if they fought hence why i said offensivly how were they used
    How effective do you think a single guy riding on a bike is going to be as an offensive weapon? I'm not sure, but I think the Heer ditched the motorcycle sidecars with the MG34s as a waste or resources...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    As Churchill wrote, primarily they were supposed to do recce tasks. However with the Wehrmacht forced more and more onto the defensive they were basically used for everything (filling front gaps, motorized infantry etc. pp.)
    Achtung-Panzer! says pretty much the same thing - motorcycle troops to provide light, fast recce (essentially the same task the British Army currently carries out with the CVR-T family of vehicles).
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    Well What Types or Bikes were used? all i know is the harley davidsion WLC and Norton 16H bikes were used though the 16H was a small 1 cylinder bike. could any one give me info german bikes. and the allied use of indian and triumph motor cycles
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    Wehrmacht:

    Light motorbikes:
    - DKW RT 125
    - NSU 251 OSL
    - Triumph BD 250/1
    - Zündapp DB 200

    Medium motorbikes:
    - BMW R 4
    - BMW R 35
    - DKW NZ 350
    - Victoria KR 35 WH

    Heavy motorbikes:
    - BMW R 12
    - NSU 601 OSL
    - Zündapp K 500 W
    - Zündapp K 800 W
    - Zündapp KS 600 W

    Heavy motorbikes with powered sidecar:
    - BMW R 75
    - Zündapp KS 750
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Wehrmacht:

    Light motorbikes:
    - DKW RT 125
    - NSU 251 OSL
    - Triumph BD 250/1
    - Zündapp DB 200

    Medium motorbikes:
    - BMW R 4
    - BMW R 35
    - DKW NZ 350
    - Victoria KR 35 WH

    Heavy motorbikes:
    - BMW R 12
    - NSU 601 OSL
    - Zündapp K 500 W
    - Zündapp K 800 W
    - Zündapp KS 600 W

    Heavy motorbikes with powered sidecar:
    - BMW R 75
    - Zündapp KS 750
    WOW thanks!!!! do u think u could hook me up with some pictures to?
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