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    Budapest, January - February 1945.

    Pay attention to the right lower corner of the phtograph.
    Is that theft?

    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Og9bGnISHBg/SV...88%D1%82-2.jpg

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    Igor

    Looks like somebody salvaging something useful from a pile of scrap.

    Either that or he's a very optimistic repair man

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    He is "appropriating" materials for military use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richie B View Post
    Igor
    Looks like somebody salvaging something useful from a pile of scrap.
    That one is Soviet soldier.
    do you think that it is a theft that he is taking the wheel of that - hhm-hhm - bus.
    Either that or he's a very optimistic repair man
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    He is merely a disappointed bicycle thief acquiring materials for an off-road unicycle.

    Seriously, what is the point of the original question when we don't know anything about the context which enables us to offer any useful opinion?

    Or is this just a thread for fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    He is merely a disappointed bicycle thief acquiring materials for an off-road unicycle.

    Seriously, what is the point of the original question when we don't know anything about the context which enables us to offer any useful opinion?

    Or is this just a thread for fun?
    Fun is good.
    But as someone said on the Internet: "I love how in the second photo the Russian is ALREADY stealing the wheel from the bus."

    So I was curious how other people think of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Fun is good.
    But as someone said on the Internet: "I love how in the second photo the Russian is ALREADY stealing the wheel from the bus."

    So I was curious how other people think of that?
    It doesn't look like anyone else will be using the bus. Why not get the scrap parts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    But as someone said on the Internet: "I love how in the second photo the Russian is ALREADY stealing the wheel from the bus."

    So I was curious how other people think of that?
    How do we know he's Russian?

    How do we know he's taking the wheel?

    How do we know he's not doing it with the owner's permission?

    How do we know that what appears to be a wheel brace isn't two pieces of metal, or something else, involved in doing something other than removing a wheel?

    We've been here before in another thread, but without context a photgraph often tells us nothing more than we see, and everything else is speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    How do we know he's Russian?
    Because of the hat. And because the OP said so.
    The Internet would never lie to us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    How do we know he's taking the wheel?
    He is already busy removing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    How do we know he's not doing it with the owner's permission?
    Looking at the Bus, the owner is most likely pushing up the daisies..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    How do we know that what appears to be a wheel brace isn't two pieces of metal, or something else, involved in doing something other than removing a wheel?
    Right, he's trimming the Hedge that's growing under the bus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    We've been here before in another thread, but without context a photgraph often tells us nothing more than we see, and everything else is speculation.
    Isn't that the Beauty of it all

    On-Topic:

    Judging by the condition of the town, etc, I assume that Martial Law is in effect. So if the guy working the bus, or hedge, is in fact a soldier, he should have the right to do so if he was ordered by an officer, IIRC.

    Also, who knows, maybe he's not even removing a wheel, but rather adding one, in a (probably useless) attempt at fixing it up again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    We've been here before in another thread, but without context a photgraph often tells us nothing more than we see, and everything else is speculation.
    Yes, we have.

    I am not fully agree that it has no merit at all to look at the photos and think of what we can conclude. We just should not make too bold judgements, that is it.

    Any way.... lets now say that that is in fact a Soviet soldier taking a wheel off...
    What then???

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    Hard to imagine the soldier takes the vehicle's rim for personel needs. What is he going to do? Haul the damn thing throughout the rest of the war and later back to Omsk (or wherever)?
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    Maybe he found some stuff? Like a Stein mug, or a luger.....

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    Obviously it is an act of random kindness and selfless benevolence! He is obviously changing the flat tire on the bus as part of a total restoration and repair for the good citizens of Budapest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Obviously it is an act of random kindness and selfless benevolence! He is obviously changing the flat tire on the bus as part of a total restoration and repair for the good citizens of Budapest.
    Thats exactly what i was thinking!!
    but honestly i am pretty sure that the bus is not moving no more
    so i think its safe to take the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Judging by the condition of the town, etc, I assume that Martial Law is in effect. So if the guy working the bus, or hedge, is in fact a soldier, he should have the right to do so if he was ordered by an officer, IIRC.
    Until now I've never thought to consider the legal system, if any, applying to an occupied area soon after a battle.

    My understanding of martial law as a term is that it is usually declared by a legitimate (or illegitimate) government to alter the usual state of affairs to meet a real or purported emergency within the jurisdiction.

    I have no idea what law applies when soldiers invade a town or area in the course of an advance. In WWII, and off the top of my head, I suspect it was just the Hague Conventions at best.

    Could be an interesting research topic to pursue in a separate thread, if anyone's interested.
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