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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    paragraph 2
    All inhabitants of this territory are to be responsible with their lifes and the lifes of their families for any damage caused by saboteurs to any military property or materials belonging to the Rumanian or allied forces.

    paragraph 3
    For any damage, cutting and theft of telephone, telegraph or electrical wires, all local inhabitants living around the point of damage will be executed.

    paragraph 4
    The house inhabitants and the yardmen are to be responsible with their lifes for incidents of disappearence, damage or destruction to the military materials, vehicles, equipment and other state property, which is placed on their property (in the building, storages, factories) as well as on adjacent areas: sidewalks, roads, squares and vacant lots.
    I'm pretty sure these regulations were quite common in all areas occupied by Axis forces.
    It took quite some bravery/ruthlessness for the partisans to oppose them anyway...
    The fundamental problem of Democracy is that the majority of voters are idiots fueled by uninformed rage - and the Politicians do everything to cater to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    I'm pretty sure these regulations were quite common in all areas occupied by Axis forces.
    ...and not only there! Mind No. 5 in particular.
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    It took quite some bravery/ruthlessness for the partisans to oppose them anyway...
    Because it was part of the plan. The partisans knew that their action would cause german measures against the civil population. These measures again fueled hatred against the opressor and caused another increment to the partisan movement.
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    can you please translate the leaflet, please. I have an idea but not more than that.

    Regarding the second point, that would be completely true If ALL of the partisans were not local people, like special forces and such. But many of them were indeed locals.
    Especially in case of Creta.

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    Yeah we would like to see the english translation of that leaflet, if you please flamethrowerguy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Sadly ,this just prove that the Huge's "Rules of War" is nothing but cynical empty papers.
    I think they're very well-intentioned rather than cynical. The cynicism is in the disregard that some people and some nations have for them.

    The problem isn't with the laws of war (a somewhat absurd concept in its own right) any more than the problem in criminal law is that it doesn't stop some people breaking it.

    Better to have good laws which some people break than a lawless world where everybody can do whatever they want, with no consequences.

    The difficulty with all forms of international law is that, unlike state laws, there is no police force and court system to enforce them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Both you and me might turn to be the real beasts if there would be the real war.
    You probably wouldn't as your Lada wouldn't get you to the recruiting depot before the war was over , but I expect that in certain circumstances I might be capable of things that, sitting here and not being in those circumstances, I condemn and which would be war crimes and utterly immoral. But it wouldn't be anything that probably millions of otherwise decent men did during WWII in various armed forces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    You've portrayed the too ideal picture mate.
    Indeed even if you would kill the couple of enemy soldiers or poisoned few of them by your unfair rat poison - the rest migh be pissed off , then round up all you family, your childrens and your old parents, then PUBLICALLY EXECUTE them ALL ( PLUS optionaly 50-70 mens from your street) right near the your sheling house.
    Say, it wasn't real?
    It was REAL in ww2.It was everywhere on occuped territories.
    It was called "anti-partisan tactic".
    It was certainly real.

    The reasons my little fantasy didn't happen too often were that, first, the Allied troops didn't engage in the same sort of collective punishment and extermination that the Nazis and Japanese did so they didn't engender the same response as typified by the partisans and, second, in the case of people subjected to Nazi and Japanese punishments there weren’t too many left to respond violently and even if they were they usually had no means to do so.

    But, applying my fantasy to your comments, if I’ve just been enraged by the destruction of everything that matters to me, am I going to worry about the possible reprisals upon others later or just focus on hurting the people I hold responsible for it?

    If I know that reprisals affecting a lot more people are likely I might decide not to do anything, but if I don’t know that or I just don’t care because I am so focused on my own revenge then I will probably try to kill as many of them as I can. Maybe there and then in a suicidal effort or, as many did as a result of similar experiences, by becoming a partisan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    But you are very good michine-gunner
    Yes, I once killed a derelict car body, which was behaving suspiciously by just lying there in an obvious ambush position, on a tank range before it could fire back. This is what kept Australia safe in 1970.
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    A rational army would run away.
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    Translation of the Leaflet posted by FTG:

    REGULATION!
    The French occupying force instates the following regulations:

    1. Between 5pm and 7am, nobody may be outside his home.

    2. Until Friday, April 27th 1945, at noon, 12 o'clock, all stabbing, cutting, fire[arms] and blunt weapons - including Hunting Rifles - have to be brought alongside their ammunition to the Police Departments, as well as any Radios or Photo-cameras.
    The above mentioned objects are to be marked with the Name and address of the Owner.
    Every household is responsible for the weaponry and ammunition found in its home.

    3. Bicycling is banned, as well as private vehicular and motorbike traffic.

    4. Telephone conversations are only allowed through the local network, long distance calls are banned. Any telephone conversations will be monitored for its content.

    5. Any hostile actions against the occupying force will lead to harsh retaliation, for example:
    -Death Penalty
    -Shooting of Hostages
    -Burning down of buildings out of which shots were fired
    -Also the burning down of any buildings in the vicinity.

    Konstanz, the 26th of April 1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Yeah we would like to see the english translation of that leaflet, if you please flamethrowerguy?
    I admit I was too lazy and hoped for Schuultz to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    I admit I was too lazy and hoped for Schuultz to do it.
    I feel so used...

    The fundamental problem of Democracy is that the majority of voters are idiots fueled by uninformed rage - and the Politicians do everything to cater to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    ...and not only there! Mind No. 5 in particular.
    img898.jpg


    Because it was part of the plan. The partisans knew that their action would cause german measures against the civil population. These measures again fueled hatred against the opressor and caused another increment to the partisan movement.

    Or in the case of the French Maquis, turned them from the conduct of usually ineffectual pin***** attacks to intelligence gathering, which greatly eased the Allied advance and reduced casualties...

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