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    Well, Chevan, Nickdfresh has a point. How long did it take the Germans to notice that he fled? Did they notice immediately and try to stop him?

    Also, considering how late in war it was, they might have decided to let him go. They probably didn't want to waste any airplanes/fuel to try to stop a couple of unimportant PoWs from escaping...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Well, Chevan, Nickdfresh has a point. How long did it take the Germans to notice that he fled? Did they notice immediately and try to stop him?

    Also, considering how late in war it was, they might have decided to let him go. They probably didn't want to waste any airplanes/fuel to try to stop a couple of unimportant PoWs from escaping...
    Well i do understand al of you questions, i found out the site where the his recollections have been published.
    http://www.newepoch.ru/topics/devyataev.html
    But this is Russian. Sorry dudes, i/m too lazy to translate it to English ( and honesly , i'm not sure i will have done it correctly) so i will use the Internet translation.
    http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

    I hope i've halped.

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    As long as things like throttle quadrant, flap levers, and undercarriage levers are known in their operant or passive positions the rest becomes moot.
    Reference the few occasions in recent years where light aircraft pilots have landed 747's and the like.
    Granted, the cited example in this thread was during a war, but the basics of operating an aircraft would remain broadly constant.
    Fundamentally, it isn't different to a Russian driving an Opel Blitz truck after being trained on the Russian copy of the American Studebaker truck the same size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Russian copy of the American Studebaker truck the same size.
    What a copy?
    SOviets produced Zis -151 it wasn't a studebekker copy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZiS-151

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    What a copy?
    SOviets produced Zis -151 it wasn't a studebekker copy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZiS-151
    With great respect : the article you cite says plainly the vehicle it describes was preceeded BY the ZiS6 : a copy of the Studebaker.

    ""The ZiS-151 was the first major Soviet military all-wheel-drive truck built following World War II, replacing the U.S. Studebaker US6, and earlier ZiS-6.""

    So, bearing in mind the timeframe, I'd say the point I made was a reasonably fair one.

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    Amazing story (if true). :-)

    May also reveal something about the collapse of German discipline in 1945 ;-)

    But I can't help but feel sorry for the Russians who pulled these kind of amazing feats - only to be sent to Gulags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alephh View Post

    But I can't help but feel sorry for the Russians who pulled these kind of amazing feats - only to be sent to Gulags.
    He wasn't sent to GULAG, to your possible distress, sirHe was sent to Penalty unit. But war was almost over so he soon restored in amry an demobilized in november 1945.
    But NKVD didn't believe to him becouse it was really odd story.It was probably single such a case in entire ww2.
    Last edited by Chevan; 02-25-2009 at 01:06 AM.

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    But I can't help but feel sorry for the Russians who pulled these kind of amazing feats - only to be sent to Gulags.
    He wasn't sent to GULAG
    I'm not saying he was sent to Gulag. I'm saying many Russians were sent to Gulags.

    Gulag == "a bad place" in general ==== treated unfairly.
    Sent == ruggedly dragged, not carried with white horses while champagne and virgins were given to everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alephh View Post
    I'm not saying he was sent to Gulag. I'm saying many Russians were sent to Gulags.
    Nor more than 3% of former Soviet POWs ( from about 1,5 mln liberated in 1945) have bee imprisoned or executed.
    Gulag == "a bad place" in general ==== treated unfairly.
    Sent == ruggedly dragged, not carried with white horses while champagne and virgins were given to everybody.
    Oh , for those who has got the "champagne and virgins" in Germany( kinda- ROA , Kossaken and others colloborators) , the Gulag was a VERY right place.

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    Hi, there !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    No.
    Soviet planes had everything on the far left.
    German planes had everything on the far right.
    Vichy planes had everything close to the far right, but this could change under pressure.
    Italian planes had them where they had style.
    British planes had them in the middle.
    The Americans just put them where they wanted them.
    Sorry for picking up this post but... I fell over the floor laughing when I saw it!
    Hey, Rising Sun*, tell us about the Japanese planes, come on!

    About the stolen Heinkel, well, it may be a real story actually, why not?
    I remember having read that the crew of an Italian "Bersaglieri" sidecar had
    lost it's way during a sandstorm on the Libyan front, Summer 1942; they got
    through it, finally, but they also got through the 8th Army lines and drove
    ahead, eventually reaching the suburbs of Alexandria (perhaps even cheered)
    and got finally captured. They had great problems explaining how they got
    there, the Brits must have thought the front had collapsed somewhere

    Bye.
    Bruno.

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