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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I was always wondering of peoples who use such kind of role-playng games like ww2 german re-enactment. What is their motivation? Do they wish ( or dream) simulate only battles or the einsatzgruppen actions as well
    I've been asking myself the same question for quite a long time. I've been to a number re-enactment events and I couldn't understand what is driving these guys into SS and stuff like that. I mean apart from purerly historical motivation, there has to be some sort of "admiration" that makes people choose one unit, army than another.
    And in this case I don't get it. What is to admire when it comes to SS? I know, one would said that they were brilliant warriors, with exceptional fighting skills, morale, etc. But still, behind all of that, there is an ideology, which is sick, based on hatred, murder and it's aim was to eliminate millions of people.
    So maybe we should blame lack of education, knowledge?

    Couple years ago I watched a BBC's "Panorama" about re-enactment events in UK. I will never forget one British WW2 veteran intervied by the TV crew. He was shocked, that almost 90% of re-enactors there, were wearing Wehrmacht and SS uniforms. He said it made him really, really said.

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    I recall American comedian George Carlin making a joke about America Civil War reenactors telling them to "use live ammunition"...

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    Hey there folks! I'd forgotten about this thread. Interesting I only got an email notification this morning.

    Indeed Facebook has replaced the website I originally posted.

    If you're in the Montreal/Ottawa/Belleville area there's 2nd panzer division that you can search up on Facebook. We do have a public group for those interested.


    If you're in the Toronto area there is the 1stSS division and the 3rd Panzer division. Both are also on Facebook I believe.

    Why do people reenact SS? Honestly, the SS units had some of the worst fighting track records.... taking lots of casualties. The Fallschrimjager units performed much better. The biggest reason I think people lean towards SS is because of the very different camouflage uniforms they wore. People tend to like that more than the wehrmacht splinter camo pattern.

    The SS also tended to be the first units supplied with the newest equipement or weapons. Thus you may see more SS guys with STG44s.

    Anyway feel free to look up the WW2 ontario reenactors Facebook group for more info about available units.

    Or you may email me your questions as I am more likely to see them than on this forum. Liorick182@hotmail.com

    Take care,
    Werner
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    Cześć mate Kovalski, nice to see you again
    Quote Originally Posted by Kovalski View Post
    And in this case I don't get it. What is to admire when it comes to SS? I know, one would said that they were brilliant warriors, with exceptional fighting skills, morale, etc. But still, behind all of that, there is an ideology, which is sick, based on hatred, murder and it's aim was to eliminate millions of people.
    I think that even SS were a brilliant warriors only relatively short time till the 1943 when the Himler has opened the SS for all sort of criminals and extremists. There comes on scene the Waffen-SS whose moral principles often were out of human limits and whose wish to fight has been determined only by their fear of retrebution for commited war crimes. I mean such sort of warriors like Bronislav Kaminski or Oskar Dirlewanger , whose "methods" and moral principles literally shocked the von Guderian.
    So maybe we should blame lack of education, knowledge?
    I rather think this it's lack of ...masochism in real life. Some players need to feel themself as a "bad guys". Plus they feels sort of sexual delight of effective-looking nazis uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I recall American comedian George Carlin making a joke about America Civil War reenactors telling them to "use live ammunition"...
    He meant to use the afro-americans as a slaves in their fascinating games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I rather think this it's lack of ...masochism in real life. Some players need to feel themself as a "bad guys". Plus they feels sort of sexual delight of effective-looking nazis uniform.
    Has nothing to do with wanting to play bad guys... Prussian military traditions having nothing to do with Nazism... But, I did offer an explanation to those who prefer SS over Wehrmacht... aside from a mis-guided view that the SS were an ''elite'' force, which they were not - their unique camouflage patterns (Dot44 and Oakleaf) tend to attract some who prefer the look over that of the Wehrmacht's splinter camo or just fieldgray uniforms.

    If you have any further questions you can e-mail me or PM me on this forum. We also have a Facebook group ww2 Onatrio which you can find all groups in Eastern Canada.

    Thank you
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    I don't think so, old friend, I really don't know what the fascination is, aside from getting out of the house for a few days to role play. I guess it's like internet role playing games for older guys. And it covers all Battles, and Wars it seems, Here in the States, Revolutionary, and Civil War re-enactor groups are commonplace (and probably the most popular) , as are WW I, and WW II. Think there are some for the Boer, and Zulu Wars too. I would say that having all sides of a conflict covered by re-enactor groups would be expected.

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    Sometimes the movies and history books aren't enough. There's nothing quite like experiencing a cold trench for 3 days at -20 degrees, eating hard rations and trying to reload a bolt action mauser with frozen fingers to get a tiny glimpse of what others before us may have experienced.

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    Hello Stefan! Actualy i have nothing against the role-playing. I just puzzled why so many westerners chose the nazis side in ww2 games
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    Has nothing to do with wanting to play bad guys... Prussian military traditions having nothing to do with Nazism...
    I have to distress you , the units you have listed above like panzed division or luftwaffe ground forces - all of them had a direct relation to nazism and its military. And for a peoples from countryes , beeing ocuped by nazists in ww2 like Poland or Russia and whose relatives suffered the real nazis politic ( ethnic cleansings , mass execution and ets) the prussian military tradition still have a big deal to Wermacht, which alongside the SS , took active part in war crimes on the eastern front. So for me or Kovalski it's look wierd why peoples from Canada choose the german military re-enactment, while there a tonns of other military units , manies of whome fought very well in ww2, including the canadians.
    But, I did offer an explanation to those who prefer SS over Wehrmacht... aside from a mis-guided view that the SS were an ''elite'' force, which they were not - their unique camouflage patterns (Dot44 and Oakleaf) tend to attract some who prefer the look over that of the Wehrmacht's splinter camo or just fieldgray uniforms.
    You know what is the another call of the peoples who wear the uniform for pleasure- its fetishism Nothing personal, just Sigmund Freud.
    If you have any further questions you can e-mail me or PM me on this forum. We also have a Facebook group ww2 Onatrio which you can find all groups in Eastern Canada.

    Thank you
    Thank you as well. Maybe once i will visit a Canada
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    Why re-enacting as German and not Canadian - in part because there are already allied re-enactment units. If everyone did Canadian or FSSF re-enactment, there would be nobody to fight against

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    I am not an expert on military re-enacting by any means. I don't really get it myself. How do their wives stand it ? As regards WW2 re-enactors, the Wehrmacht in general, and the Waffen-SS in particular, does appear to be disproportionately represent by a country mile. Perhaps part of the reason is a Nazi orientation on the part of some of the participants; more important I think is the false glamour and evil allure of the SS. Not sure if any assiduous psychologist has done research on this.

    Of course, re-enactment is not confined to WW2. Apart from a prosperous re-enactment industry in the US regarding the Civil War, there are lots of other re-enactment opportunities being exploited. Britain, for example, has many extremely well-equipped Roman re-enactment groups, and the Sealed Knot (one of Britain's most prestigious re-enactment outfits) refights battles of the English Civil War. Even here in the Emerald Isle (where military re-enactment is not a big thing) a number of groups devoted to re-enacting the 1916 Dublin Rebellion and the Irish War of Independence have been flushed out by the recent official celebration of the centenary former uprising. It will be interesting to see how things go when we get around to commemorating the dreadful Irish Civil War centenary in just a few years' time. Yours from the Stonebreaker's Yard, JR.

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    Then we have the Cold War Re-enactors.
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    Thanks again tankgeezer,
    I'll search on FaceBook. I really appreciate the help!
    Many thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Werner View Post
    Why re-enacting as German and not Canadian - in part because there are already allied re-enactment units. If everyone did Canadian or FSSF re-enactment, there would be nobody to fight against
    But you meet there not to fight and kill each other, right?Should be the other reason..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    .. more important I think is the false glamour and evil allure of the SS. Not sure if any assiduous psychologist has done research on this.
    I don't know whether the nazis attraction phenomenon has been researched but i know for sure the manies gays love to use the nazis symbolic. No , i don't want to say all the nazis researches are gays , but for those who find the ss-style romantic and glamoure- there is definitelly the reason to think about
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