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    Default Re: Wounds during the films .

    Quote Originally Posted by Moreheaddriller View Post
    I dont what is about rambo movies but when he gets wounded it always seems unrealistic
    It's probably the way he only seems to be bothered by the wound for the first few seconds, and doesn't give a damn about it after that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Well, if they managed to get him new blood in time, I don't see how it should be impossible for him to survive. I'd worry a lot more about infections in the wound... I have no idea how that works, but would the salt in the salt water have helped clean the wound (though also making it more painful), or would the bacteria, etc, in the Oceanic water still infect the wound?
    At the rate the heart is pumping blood out, the body's volume of blood can reduce very quickly with a major wound. The less blood in the body, the less oxygen and other necessaries are transported to the organs which need them. Most organs can't survive long, or without potentially permanent damage, without a constant blood supply. It seems unlikely on simple arithmetic that a body designed to run on 8 pints could survive on 1.5 pints for very long without major damage.

    Salt in water at sea water concentrations is a mild antiseptic, and before perhaps the middle of the 20th century was often used as a simple remedy for various infections, particularly in the mouth and throat. (I gargle every few hours with salt water and a mild disinfectant at the first sign of a sore throat, which is usually the precursor to a week or two of a cold / flu experience and it almost always works.)

    I think it works by killing bacterial cells by drawing fluid out of them, or maybe this doesn't kill them but damages them enough to stop them reproducing, which is what makes infections worse.

    I suspect that sea water in the ocean generally doesn't have much bacteria that will infect humans. However, closer to shore and especially close to major cities and sewage outfalls there is probably a much higher count of dangerous bacteria such as e coli from human faeces and other human wastes and activities. That is certainly the case with our beaches here. I suspect that the further off shore you are (and he was a fair way off shore) the less the risk of infection from sea water borne bacteria.

    Anyway, if he gets to a hospital (in Australia anyway) alive, as a standard step he'll be given whatever is necessary to reduce the risk of infection for the type of wound he has. Which is a bit ironic as if he has to stay in hospital his chances of getting some really nasty and even incurable infections go up dramatically as hospitals are full of them (in Australia anyway).

    As for salt water adding to pain in the wound, I doubt it would add noticeably to it. Severe crush wounds usually have less pain than equivalent cut wounds as the crushing damages nerve ends which would otherwise transmit pain. I suspect that a shark bite which can sever a leg is a mix of crush and cut. In any case, the level of shock from such a wound would probably override the relatively minor input of stinging from salt water.
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    A puncture or GSW that opens the femoral artery is more likely to allow the cas to bleed out than a traumatic amputation.
    While in the former the claret has fairly free egress, blood vessels have somewhat elastic properties and should the limb be severed they contract both in length and diameter, reducing fluid loss. Hence a number of authenticated cases where a casualty has retrieved their arm before receiving medical attention.
    The amount of bleeding is of course dependent on a number of other factors such as physical condition, aerobic state, adrenalin saturation percentage, etc.


    Reference salt water being painful in a wound, this is a myth.
    The body and fluids contain a fair amount of salts and is far more comfortable with this than with 'pure' water - just think about saline drips.
    During IMI trg troops get to inject one another with a saline solution as distilled water bloody smarts !

    As R S* says, salt water is an excellent remedy/prophylactic for sore throats.
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    Default Re: Wounds during the films .

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    A puncture or GSW that opens the femoral artery is more likely to allow the cas to bleed out than a traumatic amputation.
    While in the former the claret has fairly free egress, blood vessels have somewhat elastic properties and should the limb be severed they contract both in length and diameter, reducing fluid loss.
    Thanks for that.

    It explains why the bloke in the shark video was brought aboard and lay on the deck for many heartbeats before he gushed blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    As R S* says, salt water is an excellent remedy/prophylactic for sore throats.
    If I may offer this as wise advice to younger members who, in hope, have a foil or other packet which contains a prophylactic, you should not use your prophylactic to try to stem a sore throat as it will, most probably, simply choke you.

    Conversely, if you do not use your prophylactic in other circumstances your partner may end up with a very sore throat, which no amount of salt water or even modern antibiotics will cure.

    So, the health message is: use a franger for a banger, and a rubber for a sucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    If I may offer this as wise advice to younger members who, in hope, have a foil or other packet which contains a prophylactic, you should not use your prophylactic to try to stem a sore throat as it will, most probably, simply choke you.

    Conversely, if you do not use your prophylactic in other circumstances your partner may end up with a very sore throat, which no amount of salt water or even modern antibiotics will cure.

    So, the health message is: use a franger for a banger, and a rubber for a sucker.
    WTF ... thanks for the advice... I guess
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