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    Default Re: remember

    Well, I'm glad that someone of your posted age cares about remembering the fallen and the veterans. But, there is a thread already posted regarding this:http://ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8264

    BTW, I've always liked that poem since I first read it as a youngster looking through WW1 photo books.
    Last edited by navyson; 11-12-2008 at 08:53 PM. Reason: Additional info
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    Quote Originally Posted by 32Bravo View Post
    Am I right in thinking that the US don't wear the poppy as a symbol?

    http://www.poppy.org.uk/

    http://www.canoe.ca/RemembranceDay/poppy.html

    If you look closely, you'll see me parading:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7718227.stm
    Hi 32bravo,
    IIRC we used to get mailings for donations for veterans that included address labels that had poppies printed on them. And in the early 90's I remember older veterans handing out artificial poppies for $1 donations, but I haven't seen either in a long time....years probably.
    The buglers are playing "Last Post", I take it that that is something like our "Taps" for the US military? And are you in the group wearing greatcoats with white belts, or the group wearing the bearskin hats that weigh like 50 pounds? I doubt you're in the group of old-timers.
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    Default Re: Remembrance day in the UK,some thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamehouse View Post
    Does the Anzac day happen on the 25th or the Sunday before that date.
    On the 25th.

    Public holidays may occur on a different date where weekends are involved, but the day itself and what it stands for is commemorated on the 25th.

    Here is a great speech commemorating the ANZAC history and more, given by a prominent New Zealand politician at the annual dawn service at Gallipoli. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=3beEVe...eature=related

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    Default Re: Remembrance day in the UK,some thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by 32Bravo View Post
    This was aired by the BBC, yesterday. Fascinating, particularly the vallage which loves Australia:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fkggq
    Unfortunately that link is viewable only from the UK.

    I suspect the village which loves Australia is Villers-Bretonneux. Here's a summary of why there is such a strong liking for Aussies in that village, despite it being pretty much wrecked in the battles for it, the second battle occurring on what is now Anzac Day.

    The First (4 April) and second Battles of Villers-Bretonneux were fought in 1918, the second battle taking place on 24 and 25 April and involving a night-time counter-attack by the 15th Brigade of the AIF under Harold 'Pompey' Elliott in a desperate attempt to recapture the town of Villers-Bretonneux. The successful counter-attack by the Australians during the second Battle of Villers-Bretonneux was described by Brigadier General Grogan VC as 'perhaps the greatest individual feat of the war'. The words 'Do not forget Australia' are on a sign in the playground of the Victoria school in Villers-Bretonneux that was rebuilt after the war with money raised by donations from Victoria, Australia. The school plaque carries the following words:


    This school building is the gift of the school children of Victoria, Australia, to the children of Villers-Bretonneux as a proof of their love and goodwill towards France. Twelve hundred Australian soldiers, the fathers and brothers of these children, gave their lives in the heroic recapture of this town from the invader on 24th April 1918, and are buried near this spot. May the memory of great sacrifices in a common cause keep France and Australia together forever in bonds of friendship and mutual esteem.
    http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/anzac/western.htm

    As an aside, Pompey Elliot was a great leader revered by his men but, like so many men ruined by that awful war, he came to a sad end, by suicide in 1931 in his case. http://history.law.unimelb.edu.au/go...iott/index.cfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by navyson View Post
    Hi 32bravo,
    IIRC we used to get mailings for donations for veterans that included address labels that had poppies printed on them. And in the early 90's I remember older veterans handing out artificial poppies for $1 donations, but I haven't seen either in a long time....years probably.
    The buglers are playing "Last Post", I take it that that is something like our "Taps" for the US military? And are you in the group wearing greatcoats with white belts, or the group wearing the bearskin hats that weigh like 50 pounds? I doubt you're in the group of old-timers.

    Sadly, I'm among the old geezers
    We’ve previously discussed ‘Taps’ elsewhere. Both the Last Post and Taps are very moving.

    It’s a rare occasion that I can listen to the Last Post without becoming a little choked up. Particularly in the middle part, which, to me, sounds very much like the Cookhouse Call. Something as mundane as the Cookhouse Call breathes life and spirit into the memory of all of those fallen Tommies.

    “Come to the cookhouse door, boys,
    Come to the cookhouse door!”

    The hairs on the back of my neck stand out and my eyes begin to glisten.

    For my money, the best of the UK Forces bands is that of the Royal Marines, particularly when the drummers perform their stick-beatings, simple but effective – fabulous.

    Here’s a link to a Youtube clip of the Marines in action at the 2006 Festival of Remembrance, performed at the Royal Albert Hall:

    http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=Wydt1RXgCdU

    Stick-beatings:

    http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9czx...eature=related

    http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLaEqOn7HA
    Last edited by 32Bravo; 11-13-2008 at 07:56 AM.


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    Default Re: Remembrance day in the UK,some thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Unfortunately that link is viewable only from the UK.

    That's a pity, it was a very good docu. Rolf was tracing the history of his father and uncle in WW1. I don't know if you're able to see the damaged helmet Rolf is holding, but it belonged to his father and carries the shrapnel damage which caused his father's first wound.

    yes, you are quite right regarding the village.


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    Default Re: Remembrance/Veterans Day

    Sorry to remind you of your age 32bravo. That's okay, I get reminded every time I creak out of the bed each morning. So I guess you're retired military then? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navyson View Post
    Sorry to remind you of your age 32bravo. That's okay, I get reminded every time I creak out of the bed each morning. So I guess you're retired military then? Just curious.
    Yes. I am retired from regular Army service, but I'm not out to pasture, as yet - not reached the creaky stage, just the grumpy one.


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    The UK is an ancient kingdom with many old customs and traditions which might seem a bit queer to those that don’t know us. We rarely have national holidays to celebrate our history, partly because there is so mush of it (particularly wars and campaigns - why not have a Trafalgar Day or Waterloo Day?), and partly because we have a strong sense of who we are. Younger nations deliberately focus on their national holidays to reinforce a sense of unity and identity as much as anything else, and that, to me, seems quite reasonable.

    The first Remembrance Day in the UK took place on the 11th November 1921. After that it was changed to the second Sunday in November. At the time, Britain’s economy was based on labour-intensive production and, so, Sunday was considered a day of reverence and rest. It was thought only fitting that Remembrance Day be held on a Sunday as this would focus peoples’ attention on it. This has become a tradition in our country and I doubt there are many that would seek to change it.

    There are other ways than creating a national holiday of raising the profile of Remembrance Day and assisting those that have been broken by their service to our land. It is my belief that this has begun. The Tommies of the current conflicts receive much more publicity than others have in conflicts since Korea. Of course, it does help to have the two young princes in uniform and doing their bit to promote public awareness.

    Consider this: Kitcheners Army was a volunteer army where many young patriotic lads responded to the call of the drum, in good faith, to their bit. They were slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands. Since that time, it has been seen as being somewhat crass to be jingoistic about patriotism. It is only in recent times that the younger generations have begun to reclaim the flag of their country from those that would use it and abuse it for their own ends, and not a moment too soon.

    The scars of those great wars remain and are not forgotten. They affected practically every family in the nation.
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    Default Re: Armistice Day / Remembrance day

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    Copied and merged Armistice Day thread from WWI Forum.

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