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    Default Armistice Day / Remembrance Veterans' Day

    To All my People.Tuesday next, November 11th, is the first anniversary of the Armistice, which stayed the world wide carnage of the four preceding years, and marked the victory of Right and Freedom. I believe that my people in every part of the Empire fervently wish to perpetuate the memory of that Great Deliverance, and of those who laid down their lives to achieve it. To afford an opportunity for the universal expression of this feeling, it is my desire and hope that at the hour when the Armistice came into force, the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, there may be, for the brief space of two minutes, a complete suspension of all our normal activities. During that time, except in the rare cases where this may be impracticable, all work, all sound, and all locomotion should cease, so that, in perfect stillness, the thoughts of everyone may be concentrated on reverent remembrance of the Glorious Dead.No elaborate organisation appears to be necessary. At a given signal, which can easily be arranged to suit the circumstances of each locality, I believe that we shall all gladly interrupt our business and pleasure, whatever it may be, and unite in this simple service of Silence and Remembrance.
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    "... One of the most tragic features of the Great War was the number of casualties reported as 'Missing, believed killed'. To their relatives there must have been added to their grief a tinge of bitterness and a feeling that everything possible had not been done to recover their loved ones' bodies and give them reverent burial. That feeling no longer exists; it ceased to exist when the conditions under which the fighting was being carried out were realized.

    But when peace came and the last ray of hope had been extinguished the void seemed deeper and the outlook more forlorn for those who had no grave to visit, no place where they could lay tokens of loving remembrance. ... It was resolved that here at Ypres, where so many of the 'Missing' are known to have fallen, there should be erected a memorial worthy of them which should give expression to the nation's gratitude for their sacrifice and its sympathy with those who mourned them. A memorial has been erected which, in its simple grandeur, fulfils this object, and now it can be said of each one in whose honour we are assembled here today: 'He is not missing; he is here'."
    - Field Marshal Lord Plumer


    While those who fought this war are by and large sadly no longer with us, their successors are and still need our help.

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    Must be early 80's.

    I was in a large chain hardware store, in a wog area.

    Announcement came over loudspeaker it's eleven o'clock etc and two minute's silence from now.

    Sweet FA response from the wogs, apart from staring in wonderment, which only increased the jabbering, at the few Anglo Aussies in the store who all stopped and stood at loose attention for the two minutes.

    A few of us made pointless comments to the wogs in a foreign language, being English, to little effect.

    Actually, I can't remember whether it was two minutes or just cut to one for commercial convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Must be early 80's.

    I was in a large chain hardware store, in a wog area.

    Announcement came over loudspeaker it's eleven o'clock etc and two minute's silence from now.

    Sweet FA response from the wogs, apart from staring in wonderment, which only increased the jabbering, at the few Anglo Aussies in the store who all stopped and stood at loose attention for the two minutes.

    A few of us made pointless comments to the wogs in a foreign language, being English, to little effect.

    Actually, I can't remember whether it was two minutes or just cut to one for commercial convenience.
    Did you intentionally post that at 11:11AM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Did you intentionally post that at 11:11AM?
    No. Didn't even notice.

    Good karma, though.

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    Like RS I have experienced similar incidents on Rememberance Day, and today of all days. For two minutes I absolutely refused to acknowledge customers no matter how much they stared, growled, tried to interrupt my solace.

    After the two minutes silence one of the wog boys remonstrated very loudly and threatened to complain to management about my attitude. I told him to **** off. I've had relatives fight and die in wars so these ungrateful bastards can stomp around treating everyone like crap, because they will own this country one day.

    So this bloke went off and complained to one of our better managers who also told him to **** off. About time some people learnt respect.

    Digger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    Like RS I have experienced similar incidents on Rememberance Day, and today of all days. For two minutes I absolutely refused to acknowledge customers no matter how much they stared, growled, tried to interrupt my solace.

    After the two minutes silence one of the wog boys remonstrated very loudly and threatened to complain to management about my attitude. I told him to **** off. I've had relatives fight and die in wars so these ungrateful bastards can stomp around treating everyone like crap, because they will own this country one day.

    So this bloke went off and complained to one of our better managers who also told him to **** off. About time some people learnt respect.

    Digger.
    Bore it up em, mate.

    Reminds me that maybe ten or twelve years ago I came back to my office on Remembrance Day not long before 11 a.m.

    My secretary says there's two blokes outside waiting to see you. They're standing outside the front door. I look out and see two Asians.

    I go out and it's just before 11 a.m. so I'm going to make them observe the silence.

    Joy of joys, there's an RAAF flyover that comes pretty much over the top of us on the way to the Shrine.

    So I point at the planes and say something like

    "We remember the war now."

    And I make sure we all keep our heads down for a couple of minutes.

    I know, I was childish, racist, petty, unreasonable, arrogant, unfair, humiliating etc etc

    All of that.

    Turns out the two blokes were Japanese, which makes it so much better.

    Well, **** em.

    Their lot were childish, racist, petty, unreasonable, arrogant, unfair, humiliating etc etc last time around. And a lot nastier than I was, with a bloody sight less reason.

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    Good onya RS.

    You do highlight a problem though. We are labelled racist, arrogant, churlish etc because we are both proud and humble of those men and women who have fought and laid their lives down for liberty, freedom and survival.

    We are always reminded to respectful of new immigrants, to respect their cultures, religions, to be welcoming to them.

    But is this a reciprocal thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    You do highlight a problem though. We are labelled racist, arrogant, churlish etc because we are both proud and humble of those men and women who have fought and laid their lives down for liberty, freedom and survival.

    We are always reminded to respectful of new immigrants, to respect their cultures, religions, to be welcoming to them.

    But is this a reciprocal thing?

    digger
    Right!

    Just remember, you started this.

    And I am not known on this site for short responses.

    Reciprocal in this context means to me mutual respect, in the sense of the guest and the host.

    The guest accepts the host's house, family, cuisine, circumstances etc, and politely accepts what is offered, within reason.

    The host tries to accommodate the guest, according to the host's principles of hospitality in the host's culture, and tries to avoid offending the guest, within reason.

    If the guest doesn't like it, the guest can piss off.

    It's not the host's problem.

    Much more so when the guest is uninvited and the host is doing the guest and his family a favour by putting them up and feeding them, instead of turning them away at the gate.

    Applying that to migrants to Oz doesn't mean they have to fall to their knees in gratitude for being here or love everything about Oz, or that they can't agitate for change, or maintain their culture, or that we can require bullshit of them like being able to cite Bradman's batting average or sing the national frigging anthem (I don't know more than about five words, not necessarily in order, and I'm not interested in learning - I come from a generation that stood up in picture theatres for 'God Save the Queen' as she rode a horse somewhere) but it means they do it reasonably and without trying to make us conform to their every requirement or regarding us as inferior and contemptible because, say, our women go the beach in bikinis. Where their oafish blokes strut around in minimal budgie smugglers and regard women not like theirs as sluts because we don't live in a culture where women can't go out without a male relative or two present at all times because these apes are living in the seventh century and think so called honour killings are something to be proud of if their daughter or sister talks to the wrong bloke without a male relative's permission.

    Like the Sydney gang rape cases, with their idiot relatives blathering on on 60 Minutes about how their good little Muslim boys were unjustly convicted by the Skip justice system of gang raping Aussie sheilas as a racist act to humiliate them, or even raping any sheila ‘cos good little Leb Muslim boys don’t do that. Then their idiot families also said that the Aussie sheilas brought being raped on themselves by not observing good Islamic dress and behaviour, which apparently their good little innocent Leb Muslim boys who didn't rape the sheilas and make all the phone calls couldn't resist.

    Beats me how you can't gang rape sheilas to show how Lebs can **** Aussie sheilas Leb style, with mobile phone call records showing all the boys turning up for a bit of Skip meat, and then say the sheilas brought it on themselves. Either you raped them, or you didn’t. Which just shows how ****ing dumb those *****s are. Sixty years was about the right sentence. I’m against capital punishment for reasons of principle, but I’m prepared to consider exceptions.

    On the other hand, down here in sunny Melbourne the idiot press and talkback radio are lately getting stuck into the Sudanese because they're supposedly a big crime problem. The latest focus was a Sudanese kid who got bashed to death, probably by a mixed migrant / Anglo group. Kevin frigging Andrews got onto it, to whip up more bullshit to bolster his endless cock ups as a minister.

    Somehow a Sudanese kid being bashed to death demonstrates that the Sudanese are the sort of people we don’t want here. I would have thought that the people who killed the poor bastard are the ones we don’t want here.

    I read something recently by a woman who’d worked with the Sudanese. She ran into a Sudanese women she knew, in a supermarket. The Sudanese woman was in tears. The writer tried to comfort her. The Sudanese woman explained that she wasn’t crying because she was upset. She was crying with happiness that she was lucky enough to be in a place where there was so much food. That’s beyond anything any of us who grew up here can begin to understand.

    We don’t have any idea of the misery and horror many of the people who come here have experienced. A lot of it makes Kokoda look easy. At least both sides were armed there. Everybody had a fighting chance.

    Not like the oppression and butchery the poor bastards who’ve come here in various waves have experienced, which goes back to some of the Greeks under the colonels and the Vietnamese after we ditched them and the Chileans after Pinochet and the Argentinians after Galtieiri and the Iraqis and Iranians when those two nations were at war and countless other miserable episodes.

    I’ve dealt with a few people from each of those and other sad places and they do it hard here, but they press on. The average Aussie who slags them just because they’re different wouldn’t have the same guts and perseverance, and is too ignorant to appreciate the fine qualities of people who have overcome adversity no Australian has ever known in Australia, despite the grandstanding from various whingeing groups (e.g. lesbians moaning about how discriminatory it is that they can’t get IVF on Medicare, who’ve occupied a million times more newsprint than, say, an Iranian woman I knew who came out of Iran on a terrifying journey of hundreds of miles in the 1980’s, much of it in the boot of a car, never knowing is she’d be abandoned locked in the boot or shot at the next exchange point by people she didn’t know who, she hoped, had been paid by her husband who’d got out first).

    Having said that, there’s a few bearded caftanned pieces of lace headed shit I’d round up and send back to places where you’d think they’d be a lot happier in the bosom of Islam. Funny thing is, those places don’t want them. Because they’re troublemakers. Which is absolutely hilarious when you consider that some of these places, like the Saudis, have been exporting this sort of vile bile for years but don’t want it on their home turf. If they’re not good enough for the defenders of Islam, they’re not good enough for us.

    But you’re not allowed to say that. By our anti-discrimination laws, or the Saudis.

    Why do I think I’ve missed the plot?

    P.S. Strange to relate but true, but I’m one of those reviled people, a vaguely lefty civil libertarian.

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    An extraordinarily powerful image.

    For all wars.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
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    I forgot that "The Wall" is 25-years old as of yesterday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I forgot that "The Wall" is 25-years old as of yesterday...
    What really pisses me off (among an unbelieveably large constellation of things that piss me off) is the political exploitation by our national politicians on all sides of turning up at the couple of funerals we've had for Australian soldiers who've actually died in something approximating action as distinct from a similar number who've died in barracks through stupidy or suicide or murder.

    If we were in a war even vaguely like Vietnam, never mind WWII, the politicians wouldn't be doing anything but attending funerals.

    Different in America in recent years, where close to 4,000 service people have died.

    Politicians crying crocodile tears over the coffins of people who'd still be alive if the politicians had done their jobs half way properly will never make me respect politicians who always exploit the service dead while carefully avoiding sending any of their precious children on these missions of national survival.

    BAH!

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    P.S.

    I say the above as the father of a 17 y.o son whose army enlistment papers, against my better judgement, I signed a couple of months ago.

    I did the same at his age, but it's a bloody sight different when it's my kid and I look at the shits who are running the country who love to have a khaki election. Not one of those ****s have ever been in uniform, or been in a decent barroom fight where people lose eyes and sometimes die, but they love to send other people's kids off to war, so they can turn up at funerals in election campaigns and cry their bullshit tears for something they never experienced or even really value, as long as they're safe, but expect the lower classes to do for them.

    BAH!

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    Perhaps Rising Sun's posts and mine should be moved to another thread as there seems to be some interest, Also it will allow the memories of those who made the ultimate sacrifice to remain in context.

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