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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Walter Schmidt View Post
    Thanks for Spaate's red komet looks very nice, as always.

    Speaking of the sights, I have heard that the Komet was too fast to actually aim at anything, so somebody had the bright idea to use photo-whatnots (I forgot the name, pardon me) so that the MK108s would fire when a bomber was in front.
    Ja: this is almost so. 2/Jg 400 was issued with one, maybe two Jagdfaust 20 or Jadgfaust 30 - equipped Komets. The Photocells triggered those multi-barrel weapons, Not the MK108's.
    Apparently, Ekdo 163 had several successes with air-to-air firing tests, and the devices were then cleared for operational use, and used at least twice, though note: they fired 20mm or 30mm shells upwards into the targetted bomber.
    The picture thereafter becomes a little unclear, as Eprobungskommando 163 was also in process of becoming Ekdo 263, because the Me.263 and 163D series were to be operationally tested, though only for a few weeks, as the basic operational parameters had already been established with the Me.163B.

    A good source of information on flying the Komet is "Rocket Fighter" by Hermann Zeigler, published about 1976 or 1977.
    In the above book, Zeigler states plainly that time for lining up the shot, fine aim, and firing pass was on the order of 2 or 3 seconds, even at "powered-off" (today we would say "throttled back") speeds. This is using the 2x 30mm MK 108s.
    Incidentally, the picture pf the replica Me.163B glider on the airfield almost looks convincing: any detail on the thing? Construction materials, where/when built, owned by whom, flown by whom?

    Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 02-16-2009 at 02:30 PM.

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    According to the book Der streng geheime Vogel Me 163 by Major Wolfgang Späte (ISBN-13: 978-3895551420) an accident happened on December 30, 1943 at the former Rostrup airforce base at Bad Zwischenahn.(nowadays a glider airfield, 1 minute walk from where i`m writing right now) A rocket piloted by Oberleutnant Josef Pöhs of Erprobungskommando 16 spun around during a skid landing and flipped, causing a fuel to rupture and the remaining T-stoff to spill into the pilot compartment.
    From the accident investigation as recounted by Späte, who was commander of the airforce unit at the time of the incident:
    "The medical officer continued with his precise, technical presentation, 'After we recovered the wreckage, we attempted to put the pilot's remains in a casket. Even though he was wearing a protective suit, his entire right arm had been dissolved by T-Agent. It simply wasn't there. There was nothing more left in the sleeve. The other arm, as well as the head, was nothing more than a mass of soft, amorphous jelly.' " At that point, Späte says he interrupted the doctor, telling him to just shut the hell up. He didn't want the other pilots to become demoralised, because the H2O2 had done that to the victim in less than a minute's time.
    If you know how reactive and exothermic 3% hydrogen peroxide is when you apply it to a cut or wound, consider that the strength of the peroxide in the T-stoff was 98%.

    here are two pics from that airfield, in the second you can see in the zoom 2 me163 taking off.



    The description reads "Zwischenahn, Germany. C. 1944-10. A Messerschmitt Me163 "Komet" liquid rocket fighter aircraft photographed during take-off at Zwischenahn with a dense light-coloured exhaust trail issuing from its tail.". The photos can be overlaid perfectly on the aerial photo shown above, and show the Komet taking of from runway 33. If you look closely, the Komet is also visible in the overall photo.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Ja: this is almost so. 2/Jg 400 was issued with one, maybe two Jagdfaust 20 or Jadgfaust 30 - equipped Komets. The Photocells triggered those multi-barrel weapons, Not the MK108's.
    Apparently, Ekdo 163 had several successes with air-to-air firing tests, and the devices were then cleared for operational use, and used at least twice, though note: they fired 20mm or 30mm shells upwards into the targetted bomber.
    The picture thereafter becomes a little unclear, as Eprobungskommando 163 was also in process of becoming Ekdo 263, because the Me.263 and 163D series were to be operationally tested, though only for a few weeks, as the basic operational parameters had already been established with the Me.163B.

    A good source of information on flying the Komet is "Rocket Fighter" by Hermann Zeigler, published about 1976 or 1977.
    In the above book, Zeigler states plainly that time for lining up the shot, fine aim, and firing pass was on the order of 2 or 3 seconds, even at "powered-off" (today we would say "throttled back") speeds. This is using the 2x 30mm MK 108s.
    Incidentally, the picture pf the replica Me.163B glider on the airfield almost looks convincing: any detail on the thing? Construction materials, where/when built, owned by whom, flown by whom?

    Regards, Uyraell.
    here you can see this red painted me163b glider in action :

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9h...3-komet_people
    keep on rockin' in a free world

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    I am familiar in so far as is possible, with Joschi Pohs being dissolved alive.
    Hermann Zeigler devotes two or three pages to the topic. Like wise, the unauthorised flight of an Me.163.B by Hanna Reitsch: subsequent to Spaete himself being hospitalised for 4 to six months as a result of an unfortunate landing, within the same year/12-month period -
    as the Pohs incident.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
    "Ill unto he who ill of it thinks."
    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
    "Be It Done, Best be It Be Done Well."
    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
    "^Winged Ones^ : Love or Wrath."

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