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    Default Most Effective Tank of the war.

    I know Im gonna get alot of heat for this but here it goes:
    PzKpfw V Panther Heavy Tank

    As World War 2 progressed, the Germans maintained there tank superiority by
    bringing the PzKpfw V and VI heavy tanks into service in the 40,640-60,960kg/ ton range, well ahead of the Allies. PzKpfw V, or the Panther more commonly known, owes much of its design to a detailed study undertakenof the Russian T-34 which proved greatly superior to PzKpfw III and IV. The Ausk D model Panther, appearing in 1943, weighed 43,690kg/43 tons, mounted a 7.5cm/2.95in KwK42 L/70 gun and had a crew of five. With a top speed of about 45kph/28mph and a radius action of 200km/124.3 miles, it was a formidable opponent.
    A total of 850 of the Ausf D model were built, and it was the first to go into service despite the fact that the next model following it was Aushf A! Some 2,000 Ausf As were built between August 1943 and May 1944. It had various improvements over its predecessor, including better running gear, thicker armour and a new commander's cupola. Teh Ausf G was produced as a result of combat experience with the Ausf D and A. Over 3,000 Ausf Gs were built between March 1944 and April 1945. The hull was redesighned, now without the driver's vision visor- which mus have been a vulnerable spot. Variants included command and obsevation tanks and also the ARV(Armoured Recovery Vehicle) Berepanther.

    PzKpfw V Ausf G Heavy Tank
    Entered service:1944
    Crew:5
    Weight: 45,465kg/45.5 tons
    Dimensions: Length-8.87m/29ft 1in Height (over turret hatch)- 2.97m/9ft 9in Width-3.43/11ft 3in
    Armament: Main- 7.5cm/2.95in KwK42 L/70 gun
    Secondary- 2x7 .92mm/0.312m machine-guns
    Armour: Maximum- 100mm/3.94in
    Powerplant: Maybach Hl230P30 V12 petrol, 522kW/700hp
    Performance: Speed-46kph/28.75 mph Range-200km/125
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    You may be thankful that 20 years from now when you are sitting at by the fireplace with your granson on your knee and he askes you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your granddaddy shovelled shit in Louisiana." No, sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and sonofagoddamnedbitch name Georgie Patton!"

    -George Patton

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    Default Most Effctive Tank of The War.

    I know Im gonna get alot of heat for this but here it goes:
    PzKpfw V Panther Heavy Tank

    As World War 2 progressed, the Germans maintained there tank superiority by
    bringing the PzKpfw V and VI heavy tanks into service in the 40,640-60,960kg/ ton range, well ahead of the Allies. PzKpfw V, or the Panther more commonly known, owes much of its design to a detailed study undertakenof the Russian T-34 which proved greatly superior to PzKpfw III and IV. The Ausk D model Panther, appearing in 1943, weighed 43,690kg/43 tons, mounted a 7.5cm/2.95in KwK42 L/70 gun and had a crew of five. With a top speed of about 45kph/28mph and a radius action of 200km/124.3 miles, it was a formidable opponent.
    A total of 850 of the Ausf D model were built, and it was the first to go into service despite the fact that the next model following it was Aushf A! Some 2,000 Ausf As were built between August 1943 and May 1944. It had various improvements over its predecessor, including better running gear, thicker armour and a new commander's cupola. Teh Ausf G was produced as a result of combat experience with the Ausf D and A. Over 3,000 Ausf Gs were built between March 1944 and April 1945. The hull was redesighned, now without the driver's vision visor- which mus have been a vulnerable spot. Variants included command and obsevation tanks and also the ARV(Armoured Recovery Vehicle) Berepanther.

    PzKpfw V Ausf G Heavy Tank
    Entered service:1944
    Crew:5
    Weight: 45,465kg/45.5 tons
    Dimensions: Length-8.87m/29ft 1in Height (over turret hatch)- 2.97m/9ft 9in Width-3.43/11ft 3in
    Armament: Main- 7.5cm/2.95in KwK42 L/70 gun
    Secondary- 2x7 .92mm/0.312m machine-guns
    Armour: Maximum- 100mm/3.94in
    Powerplant: Maybach Hl230P30 V12 petrol, 522kW/700hp
    Performance: Speed-46kph/28.75 mph Range-200km/125
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    You may be thankful that 20 years from now when you are sitting at by the fireplace with your granson on your knee and he askes you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your granddaddy shovelled shit in Louisiana." No, sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and sonofagoddamnedbitch name Georgie Patton!"

    -George Patton

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Why did Germany make tigers and panthers? If panthers are better than tigers than they should of focused on the production of the panthers only. thus they would get more panthers and replacements would be more available.

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    Default Re: Most Effctive Tank of The War.

    Am I missing something, or wasn't the Panther a -- MEDIUM tank?

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    Default Re: Most Effctive Tank of The War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ardee View Post
    Am I missing something, or wasn't the Panther a -- MEDIUM tank?
    Last thing I heard...yes. With 43-45,5 tons certainly at the upper limit but still "medium".
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Ouche-Vittes View Post
    Why did Germany make tigers and panthers? If panthers are better than tigers than they should of focused on the production of the panthers only. thus they would get more panthers and replacements would be more available.
    Panther = medium tank, Tiger = heavy tank. Different tanks for different tasks.
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Threads merged. Do NOT spam the forum with multiple identical topics gentlemen!
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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Hey guys ? Why are we getting hung up on wether the Panther is a medium or a heavy Tank? The thread is about the most effective Tank of the War... No matter whether it was medium or heavy the Panther being called the most effective tank of the war should raise some eyebrows. It obviously was a great Tank but the most effective?

    Was the Panther the MOST effective being able to take the fight to the enemy on difficult terrain? Most Effective means reliable, Was the Panther in the field ready to fight or was it being repaired? Individually it was effective but not enough numbers produced. This is a moot subject....
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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    As far as I can see the Panther falls down in one place. It's lack of side armour means that as an offensive vehicle it is flawed. On defence it is great but in the attack you are much more likely to take flank shots. It has side armour of 45-50mm which is no better than a T34/76 and was vulnerable to almost any allied AT at combat ranges. That said strategically Germany was on the defensive and this was less of an issue.

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Remember were talking about the second model PzKpfw V Ausf G Heavy Tank.
    You may be thankful that 20 years from now when you are sitting at by the fireplace with your granson on your knee and he askes you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your granddaddy shovelled shit in Louisiana." No, sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and sonofagoddamnedbitch name Georgie Patton!"

    -George Patton

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    the way the us beat the panzers they outnumbered them and then killed them

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    for every 1 tiger tank the germans could have made 4 panzer mk 4s

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    dont they already have this thread?

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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    the way the us beat the panzers they outnumbered them and then killed them
    Don't forget air power!
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    Default Re: Most Effictive Tank of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Ouche-Vittes View Post
    Why did Germany make tigers and panthers? If panthers are better than tigers than they should of focused on the production of the panthers only. thus they would get more panthers and replacements would be more available.
    Hi flamethrowerguy has allready answered your specific question, in that the Panther was a medium and the Tiger was a heavy, so that there was a legitimate requirement for both, but in having asked that question you may be under the impression that since the Third Reich was a totalitarian state in a country [ i.e. Germany ] with reputation for order and efficency, things were done in an well planned and somewhat rational manner in the Reich. The reality is that, contrary to what one would expect, Britain organized a much more efficent War economy than the Third Reich and in Germany numerous projects and activities were engaged in at huge resource cost purely for reasons of internal politics, personal empire building, monetary greed etc.

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