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    Not that I am by any means expert in the topic of infantry weapons, but there is a faint irony here.
    The Italians and Japanese both fielded rifles in 6.5mm during WW2 and were thought of as being in error to do so.
    Nearly 70 years on, and modern armies are looking at weapons in those same sizes?
    That strikes me as ironic, gentlemen.

    As to xm8 : to the best of My knowledge that came down to funding, rather than fault with the weapon concept/prototypes, though others will know more on that than I.

    Then again, one of the best-ever weapons was quietly binned on grounds of cost, and I'd seriously wonder at the sanity of some if that design was not re-examined in the light of current knowledge, production techniques, and materials.
    G11.

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    The G11 as one of the best ever weapons?

    Pull the other one!

    Complex beyond your wildest imaginations, fires a miniscule projectile, and suffers enormously from cook-off.

    Good job it was binned.
    1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?

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    Default Re: What happened to the xm8

    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Not that I am by any means expert in the topic of infantry weapons, but there is a faint irony here.
    The Italians and Japanese both fielded rifles in 6.5mm during WW2 and were thought of as being in error to do so.
    Nearly 70 years on, and modern armies are looking at weapons in those same sizes?
    That strikes me as ironic, gentlemen.
    There is a degree of irony there; however one has to remember that Italians and Japanese were using bolt action rifles while the new designs are for use in fully automatic weapons.

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    Yes, true, it just seemed a little "odd" when viewed from the perspective of what was written postwar regarding the Italian and Japanese weapons.
    My understanding from those who fired the Arisaka, for example, is that it was, despite the Allied opinion, a rather effective weapon. About the Italian weapons, I'm less certain, but in any case if looking to automatics would have preferred the Beretta smg.

    I found the current discussion to be intriguing.

    Regards, Uyraell.

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    Default Re: What happened to the xm8

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Stoat View Post
    The G11 as one of the best ever weapons?

    Pull the other one!

    Complex beyond your wildest imaginations, fires a miniscule projectile, and suffers enormously from cook-off.

    Good job it was binned.
    In truth, I don't recall seeing cook-off references.
    I admit the projectile was small, though have always taken that as relating to the caseless round side of matters, descendant as that is from the Mauser and RhineMetall company experiments in WW2.

    Perhaps I am in error, but most of what I read on the G11 (certainly at or near the time) was reasonably supportive of it. Granted, it was no wunderwaffe, but I've always felt it was, and could certainly have evolved to, something eminently usable, hence my opinion as earlier expressed.

    As I say elsewhere, I'm no "expert" in the topic of infantry weapons, and judging by your earlier postings, your knowledge far exceeds mine.
    Regarding which, I am respectfully glad to be educated in your field of knowledge.

    I am somewhat more of a generalist, than specialist, with regard to some topics, as, I'd think, many folk are.

    Regards, Uyraell.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
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    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

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    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
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