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    Default Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    you ideas what could be changed, or be improved. Please Explain.

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Tell you what, when starting a topic why don't you at least demonstrate that you have an opinion and that you know a little about the subject? Posts like this are little more than spam without at least some contribution from you to the topic.
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    Fine I like the M16 for I have grown up with this weapon It has great range and some power. Not as much as the Ak-47.

    M16a2 fires a 5.56x45mm round
    Ak-47 fires a 7.62x39mm round

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Not as much what? Range? Wounding effect? Accuracy? Reliability? Training required of the user?
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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    But still even with training, it is hard to hit anything up to 350yards. M16 you can hit things at a good 500-650yds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semper Fi View Post
    But still even with training, it is hard to hit anything up to 350yards. M16 you can hit things at a good 500-650yds.

    It's not that easy to hit much beyond 350m with the M-16 either. Most soldiers under duress in grueling combat might not be able to shoot anyone beyond 200m with any consistency...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semper Fi View Post
    Fine I like the M16 for I have grown up with this weapon It has great range and some power. Not as much as the Ak-47.

    M16a2 fires a 5.56x45mm round
    Ak-47 fires a 7.62x39mm round

    The M-16's round, either version of the M193 5.56mm or the newer SS109 5.56mm, also has a much higher velocity causing greater ballistic damage at some ranges and "hydrashock," where the water content of the body ripples after being struck.

    The older round was also noted for not "tumbling," (which is largely a myth) but actually exploding or blowing into shards at shorter ranges (about 0-20m) causing often horrific ballistic wound damage...That's why the Soviets adopted the smaller caliber 5.45mm round for the AK-74 at the end of Vietnam. Largely based on observations of the US battle rifle. One that was less reliable than the AK-47/AKM, and often less effective at shooting through the jungle foliage as it was more prone to deflection. But one that was also capable of delivering some horrific wounds whereas the AK is considered to be not much harder hitting than a 9mm pistol round at medium to longer ranges...

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Actualy the counterpart of M-16 is the AK-74 not AK-47.
    Some soviet soldiers who used both of AK-47/74 often told the old 7,62 shall is much more powerful and have a longer range of hit, AK-74 however was lighter and had more accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semper Fi View Post
    But still even with training, it is hard to hit anything up to 350yards. M16 you can hit things at a good 500-650yds.
    In close quarter, urban, close country, and jungle 350 yards is a lot, lot more than is likely to be needed in combat.

    Snipers and marksmen may need a weapon accurate to 600 yds, but the average grunt doesn't, and probably couldn't hit anything with it at that range under battle conditions anyway (as you note by your comment about even training making accuracy at 350 yards poor).

    Accurate to 250 yards is probably more than most grunts need for most purposes, and that's probably about 150 yds more than most will need for most encounters.

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    For the ak- the zero is not as tight as the m16a2, due to a short sight radius, the round craps out after 350 meters, i do take into account mr kalashnikovs intent. But it plays well in dirt, key of bang. It was made for non techie troops and concripts. the biggest complaint is the lack of a hold open device.


    As to the m16, it is accurate and the zero is not a problem, it is percieved as having a fouling problem due to the gas system venting into the bolt carrier, anyone army/marine trained knows when in doubt clean it. It is dirt sensitive with users complaining about how the "sand box" messes with reliability. Operators are complaining about the need for multiple hits on an opponent as the 556 rnd is thought to be weak against padded or layered clothing.

    There is also the thought that it does not do well on those persons using khat, a cocain leaf like plant imported from somalia, for the very purpose of allowing the user to fight longer when hit. The effect was discovered in somalia.

    An ex-airforce general said the m4 sucked,but the bushmaster did well (!?!)

    range is supposed to be 800 yards but lethality drops of after 400.
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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Yes I understand that. and everyones points are good but I was wanting to know if the us made the m16 fire a 308 ( 7.62x59mm) would it be better, or worse?

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Such a weapon exists and predates the M-16/AR-15. It's called the AR-10.
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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    And what is this 7.62 x 59 mm you keep going on about?
    1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    Such a weapon exists and predates the M-16/AR-15. It's called the AR-10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Semper Fi View Post
    Yes I understand that. and everyones points are good but I was wanting to know if the us made the m16 fire a 308 ( 7.62x59mm) would it be better, or worse?
    The weapon, though heavily modified, is actually now in use as an intermediate sniper system for the US Army as the SR-25. Several others use it as well, including the Aussies:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25

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    Default Re: Ak-47 & M16 what do you think? And explain

    Not 7.62x59mm it's 7.62x51
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