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    Default Re: German casualty: Faked or coincidence

    wouldnt it be unusual for the deceased to maintain a grip like #2 after death?.......this is a serious question

    doug

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    I guess this little mystery can be considered as solved since I found this picture in the German Federal Archives (among the recently released photographs):

    http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/arch...515166/?search, look for "Bild 101I-347-1080-18"
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunny sgt. View Post
    lookslike its in africa
    No, this should be a dusty or sandy Belorussian or Ukrainian roadway.
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    Default Re: German casualty: Faked or coincidence

    They are fake for sure, and last one should be the authentic photo


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    Solved, it may be.
    But I don't think he died of a bullet wound.
    The wound entry has to it more characteristic of a fragment wound such as from shrapnel.
    It is (as it were) square-punched in rather than penetrated as a bullet would.

    Though, any entry at that woundsite, of an object travelling at velocity would certainly be fatal in 90% of the cases it occurred in, if only because of the conjunction of various rather large bloodvessels.

    Personally, I viewed the 1st pic as being derived from the second, with the hands photoshopped into position, after the BD tunic had been overlayed, and the background superimposed over the sand original in pic 2.
    If one looks closely, even the folds and troughs in the ground of pic one exist in pic 2.

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    Bullet trajectory would be correct for a sniper shot from his rear as the angle could coencide with a well placed ear shot, one preformed by Lt Shelby on a german FO at over 800 yard with Iorn sites is recorded here. He was one of my Grandfathers friends and also a Friend of General Smith
    here read.
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=artBody;col1

    Yet another solder who's stories and history is lost in the last 65 years.
    1st photo was photoshopped bigtime

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    I was thinking the same thing...the ring wood be a great value for the americans...because they even used to steel their waches and other personal things...
    Me The german sniper...you don't know that i'm out there but I am and i'm Waching you!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj_ady View Post
    I was thinking the same thing...the ring wood be a great value for the americans...because they even used to steel their waches and other personal things...
    Well, there's nothing condemnable about steeling personal things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt_Prahl View Post
    Bullet trajectory would be correct for a sniper
    shot from his rear
    There is nothing in the wound from which to deduce bullet trajectory. It is a closed wound, as far as we can see. Even if there was an exit wound, the position of the corpse tells us nothing about the direction from which the round came.

    If it came from his direct rear it would only have grazed his neck.

    If it came on a sufficient angle to penetrate the head fatally from the rear it would be from the rear flank and the corpse would have a big hole in its face, which it doesn't on the visible part nor probably on the other side as the volume of blood would probably have leaked outside the boundary of the head.

    Why would an enemy sniper be in the rear of this soldier?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt_Prahl View Post
    as the angle could coencide with a well placed ear shot
    How can a sniper place a skull penetrating shot on the ear from the rear?

    Is an ear shot from the rear a standard sniper shot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt_Prahl View Post
    one preformed by Lt Shelby on a german FO at over 800 yard with Iorn sites is recorded here.
    The linked article says nothing about it being a shot from the rear, or a well placed ear shot, or over iron sights. A sniper 800 yards to the rear of an enemy in Europe would normally have to be suicidal to fire across 800 yards of enemy occupied territory and to disclose his position 800 yards into enemy territory by doing so.

    Nobody could see or target an ear over iron sights at 800 yards.

    The corpse in the photo appears to have other wounds on the legs, which are consistent with shrapnel coming from the left as with the neck wound. It seems more likely that the soldier died from shrapnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbloge View Post
    wouldnt it be unusual for the deceased to maintain a grip like #2 after death?.......this is a serious question

    doug
    The body in death goes through several pre-decomposition stages. In at least two of those stages, contraction of ligaments may occur, which results in curled fingers, fingertips, and curled toes, or at times, wrists curled under the forearm, so to speak.
    Influences on the above are conditions of temperature, mode of death, and medical conditions existing during life, along with the presence of such simple things as salt or alcohol and drugs within the body chemistry etc.etc.etc.

    This is a far from exhaustive list, but sufficient to answer your question.

    Overall, in a given percentage of cases, the appearance or actuality of maintaining a grip after death is not that unusual.

    Hope the info helps,

    Kind Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 05-21-2009 at 03:46 PM. Reason: Grammatical.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
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    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
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    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

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    "^Winged Ones^ : Love or Wrath."

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    Default Re: German casualty: Faked or coincidence

    yes, they can be edited somehow for some reasons..but i think the original one is the lower one..

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