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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    Is it not possible, sir, that I am myself 'wound up' by anti Republican views when there is nothing intrinsically wrong in the Republican cause, even if one wishes to dispute the methods used to achieve those aims.
    As I have said whilst playing 'devil's advocate for the SS', were we to all agree on every issue the forum would be a rather dull place to be. It is about an exchange of views as well as knowledge, and some of those views are strongly held. I would personally far rather people agreed with me than not, as any person would, however I acknowledge that is somewhat unlikely.
    The difference between this post and those relating to the SS is mainly that while I have an academic interest in the SS, I actually have Irish roots and I am opposed strongly to what I see as the occupation of Ireland (any part of it) by the British crown.
    Unfortunately, some of my views may be a little chiched on this matter, but I have a personal interest here, and sometimes I type rather faster that I think. Therefore, if my post appeared in any way OTT then I do apologise.
    Kind regards,
    HD

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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    Quote Originally Posted by heimwehr danzig View Post
    I am myself 'wound up' by anti Republican views when there is nothing intrinsically wrong in the Republican cause, even if one wishes to dispute the methods used to achieve those aims.
    Republicans (note, Republicans, not Nationalists) turned to terrorism because the majority of the population of Northern Ireland didn't share their political aims - so they decided to start killing people until they changed their minds. Nationalists share exactly the same cause and aims, but stuck to purely peaceful means. If you're saying there is nothing wrong with the Republican cause, then you're not going to be sticking around on this forum for very much longer...
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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    Sir, you are a staff member here, so of course I will defer to you.
    I think it best if, having now stated my case, I step back from this particular thread.
    I trust that, as gentlemen, we may agree to disagree.
    Kind regards,
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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    Heimwehr, I'm just wondering if you'd like to necropost, or start, some more inflammatory and controversial threads? I have some suggestions. You could try the infamous Bomber Harris thread, though I'm afraid it's locked...

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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Heimwehr, I'm just wondering if you'd like to necropost, or start, some more inflammatory and controversial threads? I have some suggestions. You could try the infamous Bomber Harris thread, though I'm afraid it's locked...
    I posted based on an emotional reaction which is not what this forum is about. I apologise for agravating my fellow users.
    I hope my apology will be accepted by all in the spirit in which it is given.
    Kind regards,
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    I think there is a difference between todays Real IRA, Continuity IRA etc and the 'original' IRA from the 1920's
    From what I've read, they were more in the 'freedom-fighter' mould (always in the eye of the beholder though) because they fought the Police and the British Army but didn't get involved in the bombing of civilian targets etc.
    The frightening thing about all 'resistance' groups is that it's so easy to be labelled a 'collaborator' even if what you're doing isn't that major. I think if you declare for one side the other will get you; if you try to stay out of it, they'll both have you!

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    Default Re: IRA Irish Republican Army

    The real rise in terrorism in N.I. was the split in 1969 of the IRA into 2 distinct groups.
    The Official IRA (known as the Stickies) and the Provisional IRA(known as the Provos or PIRA)
    The main disagreement(although not the only one)was that the Official IRA wanted to try using political means to realise their aims and PIRA wanted to continue the armed struggle.
    Another point of tension between the 2 groups was the Officials leadership was based in Southern Ireland and that of PIRA was based in Northen Treland.The PIRA leadership felt that they were closer to the ground and knew best.
    Given what happened in NI it wasn,t just criminal it was a waste of time(look at the make up of the N.I. Assembly).

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