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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes View Post
    What guarantees were they?

    Stalin seemed in a win win situation at the time, at least as far as the Soviets were concerned.

    There was little chance of the Soviets being attacked, as long as the Red Army kept out of it, it was the Soviets surrogates, the Koreans and Chinese who would do the dirty work, so no come back on Stalin, although he was the instigator of the war.
    The chance of attack of USSR were very possible , keep in mind that officially the Chian was the ally of USSR. But the USSR was still weak to wage the war agains USA&company. Pure the economical abilities were weak.
    Not sure what you mean ''not real vision of situation.''
    The Sung made the rough mistake when he was sure that the S .Koreans "workers" would support the N/Koreans troops right after the N Koreans enter the country.
    He obviously was,'t aware of real political situation.

    During WW2, Roosevelt became very chummy with the dictator, more or less agreeing to most of what Stalin wanted, expecting [hoping] that eventually Stalin would let the Eastern countries decide their own fate.

    But with Roosevelt's death, Truman took a harder line and listened more to Churchill, who was espousing in the U.S. the ''iron curtain descending across Europe''theme.
    Actually Rooswelt know how to search understanding with Stalin.
    But Rooswelt never seriously think that STalin would let the Eastern Europe to be independent, as well the USA/UK never let to be really independet the states of Southern-Eastern Asia like Birma.
    Not to sure about the use of nukes, from Wiki.....

    Historian Bruce Cumings said that the U.S. reached its closest point of using nuclear weapons during the war in April 1951. At the end of March, after the Chinese had moved large amounts of new forces near the Korean border, U.S. bomb loading pits at Kadena air base in Okinawa were made operational, and bombs were assembled there "lacking only the essential nuclear cores." On April 5, the Joint Chiefs of Staff released orders for immediate retaliatory attacks using atomic weapons against Manchurian bases in the event that large numbers of new Chinese troops entered into the fights or bombing attacks originated from those bases. The same day Truman gave his approval for transfer of nine Mark IV nuclear capsules "to the air force's Ninth Bomb Group, the designated carrier of the weapons" and "the president signed an order to use them against Chinese and Korean targets." Remarking that the signed order was never sent.

    In October 1951, U.S. forces performed Operation Hudson Harbor intending to establish the capability to use nuclear weapons. Several B-29s conducted individual simulated bomb runs from Okinawa to North Korea, delivering “dummy” nuclear bombs or heavy conventional bombs; the operation was coordinated from Yokota Air Base in Japan. The battle exercise was intended to test “actual functioning of all activities which would be involved in an atomic strike, including weapons assembly and testing, leading, ground control of bomb aiming,” and so on. The results indicated that nuclear bombs would be less effective than anticipated, because “timely identification of large masses of enemy troops was extremely rare.”

    And would the Soviets become involved, as you said... the total nuclear destruction of USSR was very possible.
    But the resault wasn't so ineffective agains the Soviet and N/Koreans cities( i mena if the ww3 would have been started). SO finally the USSR ability to wage the war could be damaged by a-bombing.
    BTW this is interesting information for me.

    Yep, from then on as far as the super powers were concerned, it was an arms race between them, and to use surrogates, or to fight only where their was no danger of head to head confrontation like Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan [1978-88 version]
    yes , as i sayd , we trained each other by killing the lockal population. The Korea was the first international "test field" created by USA during the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    But if this shit was incapable to destroy even t-34-85, how can they hope to hit the TIger with it?
    The answer is that it was useless against the later German tanks, and marginally capable against the Panzer IV. They did later develop the 3.5" Bazooka to give the infantry a chance against the Tiger/Panther, but for some mad reason none of these made it to Korea in time for use with Task Force Smith.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    But Rooswelt never seriously think that STalin would let the Eastern Europe to be independent, as well the USA/UK never let to be really independet the states of Southern-Eastern Asia like Birma.
    Roosevelt was more interested in getting Stalin's help in breaking up the British Empire than he was in resisting Stalin taking over Eastern Europe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    Roosevelt was more interested in getting Stalin's help in breaking up the British Empire than he was in resisting Stalin taking over Eastern Europe...
    I haven't encountered that view before.

    Could you expand on it?

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    Here's a background link with more information, mostly political as well as being "airpower" oriented. Nevertheless, might add to the general knowledge:

    http://www.afa.org/magazine/Nov2000/1100korea.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    The chance of attack of USSR were very possible , keep in mind that officially the Chian was the ally of USSR. But the USSR was still weak to wage the war agains USA&company. Pure the economical abilities were weak.
    Think there was little chance of the Soviets being attacked, as long as the Red Army kept out of it, and I don't think Stalin was crazy enough to do that, as you say the USSR was still weak to wage the war.

    U.S. was in a shooting war with the Chinese and despite MacArthur urging the use of Nuclear weapons, Truman refused, although emergency plans were put in place, and if things became critical for the U.N. forces, there was a chance of them being used in Korea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post

    The Sung made the rough mistake when he was sure that the S .Koreans "workers" would support the N/Koreans troops right after the N Koreans enter the country.
    He obviously was,'t aware of real political situation.
    What do you think was the real political situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Actually Rooswelt know how to search understanding with Stalin.
    But Rooswelt never seriously think that STalin would let the Eastern Europe to be independent, as well the USA/UK never let to be really independet the states of Southern-Eastern Asia like Birma.
    Agreement signed by the big three at Yalta......

    The Big Three agreed that all original governments would be restored to the invaded countries [the Polish government-in-exile were excluded by Stalin] and that all civilians would be repatriated. Democracies would be established and all countries would hold free elections and European order restored per this statement.......

    “ The establishment of order in Europe, and the rebuilding of national economic life, must be achieved by processes which will enable the liberated peoples to destroy the last vestiges of Nazism and fascism and to create democratic institutions of their own choice. ”

    Roosevelt seemed to think that with Germany nuited and occupied, and no danger to Russia, that Stalin would keep to the signed agreement.

    Not sure what you mean by ''the USA/UK never let to be really independet the states of Southern-Eastern Asia like Birma.''




    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post

    But the resault wasn't so ineffective agains the Soviet and N/Koreans cities( i mena if the ww3 would have been started). SO finally the USSR ability to wage the war could be damaged by a-bombing.
    BTW this is interesting information for me.
    The last thing the U.S. [or anyone else] wanted was world war3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    yes , as i sayd , we trained each other by killing the lockal population. The Korea was the first international "test field" created by USA during the cold war.
    The difference in Korea was that the U.S. kept Rhee on a leash, while Stalin gave Sung the both the ability, and the green light to attack South.

    Which brings us back to my first post on this thread, did that green light set in motion the eventual downfall of the Soviet empire, or was the Soviet system so flawed that it's end was inevitable?

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