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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    Jeez, no wonder there's conspiracy theories all around! But wouldn't a new government be able to reduce the classified time? I don't want to wait until I'm 102 to experience that nasty scandal...
    Put it like this: roughly every 8 years or so during my lifetime some brit Professor or such has urged the reduction you mention, a kind of "open the files NOW" call, and the usual excuse is "Academic Interest" or "the Truth, NOW, for Prosperity". On each and every occasion, as far as I'm aware, the governmental response has been:"How about we extend the deadline?" ie:"you Won't be seeing that info in Your liftetime, laddie". This has usually met the academic's reply of "no that's fine as it is, thanks".

    Personally, be it Brit or any other Commonwealth government, I've never known the situation outlined above to differ, and as regards similar cases for our American cousins, the same certainly applies.

    Regards, Uyraell.

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    Didn,t the green came frome the cupper of the bullets, the actual tracer being bright yelllowish-wihte ? As in the tracers burnt so hot, it burnt the bullets too?, them being made of cupper wich (when burning or oxedicing) gives a greenish colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stano666 View Post
    Didn,t the green came frome the cupper of the bullets, the actual tracer being bright yelllowish-wihte ? As in the tracers burnt so hot, it burnt the bullets too?, them being made of cupper wich (when burning or oxedicing) gives a greenish colour.
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    The short answer is "No".

    Copper does burn as green when it oxidises. That is correct.
    However, most "tracer" ammunition dates back to the "De Wilde" ammunition employed in World War One as incendiary rounds used to destroy Zeppelins.

    The tracer rounds employed in World War Two are basically outgrowths or developments of the same processes that produced the De Wilde rounds.

    Included in this category of developments are the rounds which were coated in compounds designed to show the path of the round in flight.

    Certain compounds and classes of compound had to be chemically "hardened" so as to not burn as fast as the friction of air as the round travelled would otherwise cause.

    Certain other classes of round were developed which carried within them small amounts of bright-burning substances, again allowing them to be employed as tracer and or incendiary rounds, an example of which is the "Armour Piercing Incendiary" as came to be employed in air to air combat.

    It is this same evolutionary/developmental path that in part leads to the current crop of Depleted Uranium Rounds as employed by modern Tanks, such as M1A2 Abrams, Leopard 2A6, and Challenger2.

    The topic of Tracer, Incendiary, and Armour Piercing
    rounds is an entire thread in and of itself, it being that both the "Payload" and "Coatings" developmental pathways were heavily and successfully pursued, and led in part to the ammunition in current use.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

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    Nice, i'll lookk up "de wilde"
    btw sounds dutch, Belgium guy?, S.A.?? that is IF it's a name, i'll find out soon, i read a munition topic here, but there more to find here (-hehe- thats obvious ofcourse), i tanks you'all for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stano666 View Post
    Nice, i'll lookk up "de wilde"
    btw sounds dutch, Belgium guy?, S.A.?? that is IF it's a name, i'll find out soon, i read a munition topic here, but there more to find here (-hehe- thats obvious ofcourse), i tanks you'all for that.
    Greetings stano666
    I'm going completely from memory regarding De Wilde's country of origin. I read the information when I was 14, and that was in 1977. If my memory is accurate: De Wilde was Flemish, but managed to interest the UK Admiralty in his ammunition because the Royal Navy was very interested in both night gunnery and in shooting down German airships. De Wilde was able to provide examples of ammunition suitable to both uses, even though each was at opposite extremes in terms of size of munition.
    Somewhere around 1922 or 1924 De Wilde ammunition becomes classified as "Banned for use in Warfare" by the then League of Nations, predecessor of today's United Nations, and just as corrupt, inefficient and ineffective.

    In WW2 the "Ban" is very quickly disregarded by all combatant nations, and I'm uncertain that there has ever been an attempt to enforce the "Ban" since that time.

    I Hope the additional info is of help to you Stano666.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 12-22-2010 at 04:28 AM. Reason: Typo.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
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    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
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    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
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    Tanks, & i lol for that un bit, never trust people in suits.
    Greetings stano666

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    Quote Originally Posted by stano666 View Post
    Tanks, & i lol for that un bit, never trust people in suits.
    Greetings stano666
    You are very welcome Stano666.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
    "Ill unto he who ill of it thinks."
    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
    "Be It Done, Best be It Be Done Well."
    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
    "^Winged Ones^ : Love or Wrath."

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