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    The topic for german armored trains, pictures, drawings and all the info you may have, just bring it here.


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    Interesting, Panzerjager triebwagen is tranlated in some like impulsed tank hunter car or wagon. The turrets are obviously from the Panzer IV tank, including side skirts and all.





    I find a good site here, but is polish, beyond my linguistic knowledge.

    http://www.kvhcarpathia.sk/clanky/BP42-44/index.htm

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    Another use for captured vehicles, components of the Panzerzuge.

    T-34 in panzerzuge structure

    Armoured train "Michael", Crimea, Winter 1943/1944





    Turrets from soviet T-34 and T-70 tanks used on the armoured train Nr.52.




    Streckenschutzzug "Blucher" in 1944 was renamed as armoured train Nr.52, Eastern Front, 1944. This armoured train has turrets from soviet T-34 and T-70 tanks



    http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/su...train_t-34.htm[/LEFT]
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    Hey pk, your pics didnt show up


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    Grrrrr, no worry I going to imageshack those.

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    Fixed.

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    Thats pretty cool that they put turrets from a t34, I wonder what happen to most of the amored trains, probally recycled
    Last edited by RifleMan20; 05-20-2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason: Messed up, wrote this when i was really tired


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    The german indeed recicled a lot of captured trains, specially polish ones.

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    Panzerzuge/Panzertriebwagen

    Steyr-Daimler-Puch was assigned the task of developing a family of light and heavy armoredrailway reconnaissance vehicles in the winter of 1943.

    The schweren Schienenpanzerspahzug (heavy armored scout train) shown here came in two basic forms, an Artilleriewagen (artillery car) fitted with a surplus turret from older model PzKpfw IV tanks with a short 75mm gun, and a Kammandawagen (command car) to carry infantry and the command element of the train; aproposed flak version never entered production.



    Each Eisenbahnpanzerzug (railroad armored train) sSp. would have been deployed with 12 of these self-propelled vehicles: two Flak, four artillery, and six command vehicles. plus supporting control wagons and other equipment.
    These units could operate as a single train, but were intended to be operated independently orin small groups depending on the mission.

    Sixteen of these units were planned but only six were formed starting in May 1944, numbered 201 (sSp.) to 206 (sSp.) and became operational from November 1944 to April 1945. Steyr was also assigned to develop a Panzerjager-Treibwagen (roughly, "tank destroyer car") armored rail-cruiser configured like the Soviet MBV D-2 that had been captured and employed since the summer of 1941.
    They were armed with two turrets from the PzKpfw IV Ausf H, and production began in December 1944 with five planned, numbered from 51 to 55.

    Only three were completed, too late for combat deployment. Panzertriebwagen Nr.16 was a unique design, beginning in 1942 as an armored version ofthe WR550D14 diesel locomotive. The original SP 42 scheme was to fit special armored cars forward and aft for 20mm Flak 3B antiaircraft cannon. In December 1942 the program shifted to the creation of an armored rail-cruiser fitted with artillery turrets at either end, armed with captured Soviet Putilov 76.2mm Mod. 02/30 field guns.

    It was deployed in the summer of 1944, supplemented by a pair of Panzerjägerwagen on either end with Soviet T-34 turrets on flatcars. It was used for patrols in southwestern Poland through the end of 1944, and finally retreated after the January 1945 Soviet offensive, being captured in the final days of the war by the Soviet
    Sixty-First Army. It served after the war with the Polish People's Army in anti partisan operations in southeastern Poland and was finally withdrawn from service in the late 1960s.

    Source: Panzerzuge der Deutsches Reich - Waffen Arsenal / Armored Trains Osprey New Vanguard.
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    Soviet Armored Trains they had many variants of armored trains even armored castles as nazis called them



















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    Nice photos, interesting the one that massive amount of DShK and Berezin heavy MGs

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    Hey bear, I think one pic didnt show up but the trains were really scared of planes i see,


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    It was always very interesting for me to watch these trains and think of where they came from and how they performed.


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    The aircraft menace:

    Warplanes posed a growing threat to armored trains in World War II. This is the wreck of the polish PP 13 Gen. Sosnkowski, hit by Stukas near lochow station on September 10, 1939.



    It was originally built in November 1920 at the Cegielski plant in Poznan in November 1920, but saw no fighting in the Russo-PolishWar. It was substantiall ymodernized in the 1930s, though still retaining the older appearance of the 1920 train.
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