Argentine President Claims the Falkland Islands

[MayberrySaint]

It appears that Argentina did not learn anything from their previous butt-kicking...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080402...y_080402201109

[Panzerknacker]

You call 650 dead butt kicking ??

pfff, is nothing compared with the 58 000 dead of the USA in Vietnam or the 2,5 million of Germany in WW1, and after that both countries embarqued again is very costly wars.

Why we cant do the same ?

In any case is the only thing in wich I agree with Fernandez-Kirchner.

[Man of Stoat]

That'll be domestic problems at home again then...

[Chevan]

pfff, is nothing compared with the 58 000 dead of the USA in Vietnam or the 2,5 million of Germany in WW1, and after that both countries embarqued again is very costly wars.

Why we cant do the same ?

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DO you mean you can start the new war for Islands?

[Rising Sun*]

DO you mean you can start the new war for Islands?

No. He just wants to replay the old one. With a different result.

After all, it's in Argentina's constitution that the Falkands belongs to them, so there's no reason for anyone to object.

The First Transitory Provision of the Argentine National Constitution of 1994 stipulates:"The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich and the corresponding maritime and island spaces, as they are an integral part of the national territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and in accordance with the principles of International Law, are a permanent and irrenounceable objective of the Argentine people.”

http://www.argentina.org.au/malvinas_islands.htm

[Firefly]

And here we go back to the old circular argument.

Why should Argentina be allowed to be independent from Spain, but at the same time not allow the Falklands to be independent.

When anyone can give me a satisfactory answer for this obvious anomaly I may believe it. Until then its little more than a whinge and a gripe because 26 years ago some tin pot dictator tried to avert his populations internal crisis by going to war.

Those 650 dead, and over 200 British can directly be attributed to the actions of the Argentinian government.

In fact, by all rights, the relatives of the UK victims should be able to sue Argentina for compensation.

The fact is, Argentina is incapable of seeing sense here and incapable of actually mounting any sort of operation to attack the Falklands. Its all bluster to invigorate the population by yet another flagging government.

I remain open to being proved wrong here.

[Kato]

And here we go back to the old circular argument.

Why should Argentina be allowed to be independent from Spain, but at the same time not allow the Falklands to be independent.

When anyone can give me a satisfactory answer for this obvious anomaly I may believe it. Until then its little more than a whinge and a gripe because 26 years ago some tin pot dictator tried to avert his populations internal crisis by going to war.

Those 650 dead, and over 200 British can directly be attributed to the actions of the Argentinian government.

In fact, by all rights, the relatives of the UK victims should be able to sue Argentina for compensation.

The fact is, Argentina is incapable of seeing sense here and incapable of actually mounting any sort of operation to attack the Falklands. Its all bluster to invigorate the population by yet another flagging government.

I remain open to being proved wrong here.

Perhaps, Argentinians should wait a bit. Anyway the UK will collapse and get divided into Scotland, England, Wales and Nortern Ireland. England will be semi-Moslem state with the Shariat law. I heard some local Christian bishop had already supported the idea of introducing Shariat. The inhabitants of the Falklands will be happy to join Argentians under those circumstances.

[Nickdfresh]

You call 650 dead butt kicking ??

pfff, is nothing compared with the 58 000 dead of the USA in Vietnam or the 2,5 million of Germany in WW1, and after that both countries embarqued again is very costly wars.

Why we cant do the same ?

In any case is the only thing in wich I agree with Fernandez-Kirchner.

So it's okay to get 650 of your kids killed for an idiotic foray to distract people from the corruption and lawlessness of a dictatorship?

And of course the US suffered 58,000 dead, but then again, they gave death back in spades (not that I'm really proud of that particularly). But there was the ROV (semi-)gov't asking for assisstance, whether they deserved it or not to the extent was given is a completely different argument. But I don't recall panicked messages to Buenos Aries by Falkland Islanders asking for the great, benevolent fearless military leaders of the Argentine state to free them from the clutches of Prince Charles' knobbly ears..

[Nickdfresh]

Perhaps, Argentinians should wait a bit. Anyway the UK will collapse and get divided into Scotland, England, Wales and Nortern Ireland. England will be semi-Moslem state with the Shariat law. I heard some local Christian bishop had already supported the idea of introducing Shariat. The inhabitants of the Falklands will be happy to join Argentians under those circumstances.

And then the Orange Revolution shall be ripe and the Ukrainians shall rule the world! I knew it!

And I believe the Bishop thing was about allowing Muslims to incorporate some Islamic traditions into court cases involving only Muslims. Something I think the Brit courts allow for every religion..

[Rising Sun*]

And here we go back to the old circular argument.

Why should Argentina be allowed to be independent from Spain, but at the same time not allow the Falklands to be independent.

When anyone can give me a satisfactory answer for this obvious anomaly I may believe it. Until then its little more than a whinge and a gripe because 26 years ago some tin pot dictator tried to avert his populations internal crisis by going to war.

Those 650 dead, and over 200 British can directly be attributed to the actions of the Argentinian government.

In fact, by all rights, the relatives of the UK victims should be able to sue Argentina for compensation.

The fact is, Argentina is incapable of seeing sense here and incapable of actually mounting any sort of operation to attack the Falklands. Its all bluster to invigorate the population by yet another flagging government.

I remain open to being proved wrong here.

Agreed.

Now that I'm being serious, what I find most disconcerting is PK's flippant approach in #2 to embarking on another war.

It's not consistent with humanity or the way most civilised people want to go, nor is it consistent with his bleatings in other threads about how the British allegedly treated his soldiers during the war.

It's distressing that at a similar interval after WWII and subsequent wars the people in many nations were resolved not to embark on a similar folly, but apparently Argentina is still hot to trot, if PK is representative of majority national feeling. I hope he's not.

[Chevan]

And here we go back to the old circular argument.

Why should Argentina be allowed to be independent from Spain, but at the same time not allow the Falklands to be independent.
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I think on that exact reason that allowed the USA to be independent from Britain, but at the same time the Phillipines are not allowed to be independent from USA

[Nickdfresh]

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[Nickdfresh]

I think on that exact reason that allowed the USA to be independent from Britain, but at the same time the Phillipines are not allowed to be independent from USA

The Philippines are part of the US? Who knew?!

Getting back on topic: I guess one either believes that people ought to be subjugated, regardless of their geographic disadvantage, at point of a gun, or not.

In any case, the US gave the Filipinos their independence in the 1920s or 1930s...

[pdf27]

And I believe the Bishop thing was about allowing Muslims to incorporate some Islamic traditions into court cases involving only Muslims. Something I think the Brit courts allow for every religion..

Not quite. In civil cases (i.e. those involving disputes over money, property, divorce, etc.) British law allows both sides to choose to submit to binding arbitration. Both sides sit down with an arbitrator and between them work out a settlement that they must agree before they start that they will accept. Some communities - notably the Jewish one - have a religious court using their own religious laws performing this arbitration service, and this is what Rowan Williams was talking about.

What it was really about, deep down, of course was that the Church of England has about 20 seats in the House of Lords, and if religion is kicked out of public life totally will lose them. Hence Rowan Williams has common cause with various Islamists in wanting to see religious law at least paid attention to by Parliament. That isn't going to happen any time soon...

[Rising Sun*]

In any case, the US gave the Filipinos their independence in the 1920s or 1930s...

Yeah, but it didn't count because they got true independence in 1942 after the Japanese invaded and kicked the Americans out and showed the Filipinos true independence under Japanese occupation.