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Thread: Argentine President Claims the Falkland Islands

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    Default Re: Argentine President Claims the Falkland Islands

    Hi Rising Sun,

    But the reality for the Islanders the last time Argentina occupied their land was rather different.
    Did not agree a while ago that it was mainly a "gentlemen war".... that the most heard from the Islander was complaints that some Argentine troops "shitted in they barns"?

    So.......... what is the "reality for the Islanders" last time Argentina was sovereign there? Anybody raped? Somebody is "missing" from their records? I heard that even when they sacrificed a lamb or two, they paid the owners. And no "Argie SS" roaming around.........

    How does it compare to Churchill´s invention in the Boer Wars of the "concentration camps". where all Boers were confined for the duration of the conflict to avoid them replenishing or supporting the Boer troops in the "veld"? Or pass information? I say this without the purpose to offend..... but..... the Argentine soldiers were as far as I know little less than gentlemen......

    It is incredible how the Islanders remember those excretions in the barn and not the Landing strip, the gas instalations and all the "shows of goodwill" that Argentina was offering them for years before the conflict? In a way exercising the duties that their "sovereign nation" was not fulfilling?

    For decades, perhaps more than a century, the only way for an Islander to have surgery was to fly to Argentina........ Now they have "new brothers" in Chile.

    Cheers to all,

    Pánzon.
    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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    A couple of points Panzon.

    The relationship with the islanders was not entirely benevolent. The activities of your Major Patricio Dowling for one, I know he was sent home in disgrace thanks to the actions of Carlos Bloomer-Reeve but it still happened. Bloomer-Reeve had to rebuke Dowling for clubbing a man to the ground for no reason.

    Your forces also expelled islanders simply because they had spoken out against Argentina; Bill Luxton and his entire family were unceremoniously deported and dumped on the British consulate. When that proved internationally embarrassing your forces resorted to internal exile in West Falkland. Then there is the case of Goose Green where all of the islanders were herded into the recreation hall and imprisoned for weeks without adequate provision for food, water, blankets or sanitation.

    You know the Falklands are a small community and this does get around and they have long memories.

    Secondly, the population of the Falklands is completely immaterial to the question (which btw is about double what you wrote). They've been there a long time, some of them predating the British Return in 1833 as, contrary to Argentine propaganda, Vernet's settlers were not expelled from the islands. They do get to have a say in their own future and I'm sorry but the way you airily dismiss their views is part of the problem.

    And you fail to recognise that they have developed a distinctly different culture that is totally unlike that of Argentina. Apart from anything else, why would they wish to swap the stability of the British economy for the turbulence of the Argentine one. Furthermore would you allow them to keep their fishing income, or would that be swallowed by the Argentine Government?

    You also insist that you would respect their rights and their property. Yet as part of its sovereignty claim Argentina asserts that they have no rights. Seemingly you can't see the contradiction in those two statements.

    You also talked about the airstrip and the oil supplies brought about by the communications agreement. Well the airstrip was actually paid for by Britain for a start. The whole idea of the Communications Agreement was to bring the islanders and Argentina closer together.

    You're also wrong about always being dependent upon Argentina. Historically, the Falklands were always close to Uruguay thanks to the activities of Samuel Fisher Lafone in the mid-1800s. The communications agreement cut that link

    So yes, Argentina may have been friendly up to a point in the '70s, you forget that your navy fired on an unarmed British survey ship in 1976. You forget that was a conspiracy between the FCO and Argentina to create a situation where the British could get rid of the islands. The war has created a situation where the islanders want absolutely nothing to do with Argentina and the activities of the Argentine Government only serve to antagonise them further.

    Di Tella's approach to the islander may seem to have been a bit naive to some but in truth it went far further toward a rapprochement than the hawkish comments by Tianna and Kirschner, or more recently by your current president.

    Finally, to be frank Panzon, Argentina's claim to the Falklands is none existent. Someone familiar with the history can pick it to pieces in a matter of minutes. Rather it has become a cause celebre that is very convenient for uniting the Argentine population as only the "Malvinas" and football can. Its more useful to maintain the status quo than it is to truly solve the problem. I notice in your posting that, sadly even you who I regard as quite sensible, blame the islander, when in fact it is Argentina that is the architect of its own misfortune on this issue.
    Last edited by Lone Ranger; 04-15-2008 at 02:48 PM. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: Argentine President Claims the Falkland Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I think on that exact reason that allowed the USA to be independent from Britain, but at the same time the Phillipines are not allowed to be independent from USA
    What nonsense! The Philippines are independent, LOL. They were only a US possession for about 50 years. I expect better from you Chevan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Yes.

    You should.

    When did the French ever fight for English interests?

    Giving it back is the least they could do for England saving them in WWI and WWII.
    Geez. But then, what should the English give the French in exchange for the French divisions that sacrificed themselves in front of Dunquerque allowing the British to escape? And on and on and on...

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