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    Jesus Christ... with this only pic you try to deny the multiple accusations/whitnesses against the Red army, let me say that your case is at list weak.

    The crimes happen and also happen the crimes from the German side, I am pretty sure that the SS and Heer got his quote of raping too.

    Man, I think is time to grow up and accept the simple facts, your are not too young already, you have children...that is what are you teaching to them ? no good at all. Probably you are too blinded to realize but this is utterly ridiculous.

    Is this the today fashion in Russia to deny all the fact of history and change it for a more sweetened variant ?

    That is worst than my Freud skills.
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    it's a well known photo about Soviet occupation in Berlin after the capitulation. I think that Soviet soldier just want to show the defeated who's the winner of the war. what i want to know is what happen to that woman after this photo was taken

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    Panzerknacker,

    Please read your post again. Willingly or not, you are blindly pedaling your point of view (whatever it is) without any regard to what is being said by others.
    Listen to me again... carefuly... and try to understand: Nothing in your reply has anything to do with my comments here or my position.
    You are fighting with the ghosts of your own interpretation of other people's point of view.
    Please think about it.
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    Hi bd88! Welcome to the forum!
    Quote Originally Posted by bd88 View Post
    it's a well known photo about Soviet occupation in Berlin after the capitulation. I think that Soviet soldier just want to show the defeated who's the winner of the war.
    Yes, I know it is a known photo. It was among other featured in the A.Beevors book about the fall of Berlin.
    I was curious if one knew more presise when and where it was taken. And were it was first published.

    what i want to know is what happen to that woman after this photo was taken
    What do you think happened to her and why do think that?
    Waht about the witnesses and other by passers on the photo?
    Last edited by Egorka; 04-01-2008 at 04:37 AM.

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    here I found uncroped photo (with a teenager in shorts on the right)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Panzerknacker,

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    Nothing in your reply has anything to do with my comments here ...
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    I was curious if one knew more presise when and where it was taken. And were it was first published.
    I think we've been through this on some other photo (can't remember photo or if it was you or someone else) about them being capable of different interpretations, but, seriously, the photo could just as easily represent the Soviet soldier doing something to help the woman fix her bike.

    Without full knowledge and context, how do we know that he's not retrieving something stolen from him?

    And captions don't always help. Such as this one to the picture

    Bike Fight
    A Russian soldier involved in a misunderstanding with a German woman in Berlin, over a bicycle he wished to buy from her. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images)

    by KeystoneSunday December 31st, 1944 reference: 2660955
    http://www.jamd.com/image/g/2660955?...Google&epmid=1

    Does that look like Berlin on 31 December 1944?

    If it was, no bloody wonder he wants to get a bike and pedal like hell out of there, because he's months ahead of the rest of the Soviet army and the only Russian soldier in Berlin, without a rifle.

    If it really was taken or published on 31 December 1944, it wasn't Berlin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Without full knowledge and context, how do we know that he's not retrieving something stolen from him?
    That is true. No doubt.
    Though it is like in a court: some evidense is direct and some are circumstantial. The later ones are not proving a point but together with others evidense bring light on the situation.
    That is what I am after. I see a photo and I can not help thinking. I wish I could stop my mental process but all my attempts are failing. Not even your inspiration by example helps me, Rising Sun.

    And captions don't always help. Such as this one to the picture
    Does that look like Berlin on 31 December 1944?
    If it was, no bloody wonder he wants to get a bike and pedal like hell out of there, because he's months ahead of the rest of the Soviet army and the only Russian soldier in Berlin, without a rifle.
    If it really was taken or published on 31 December 1944, it wasn't Berlin.
    Really cool stuff!
    Firstly, notice that this is yet the third croping variation of this picture. The man on the left is fully in the frame.

    And you are obviously right about the misallignment between the date, place and the caption.

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    Panzerknacker,

    Please read your post again. Willingly or not, you are blindly pedaling your point of view (whatever it is) without any regard to what is being said by others.
    Listen to me again... carefuly... and try to understand: Nothing in your reply has anything to do with my comments here or my position.
    You are fighting with the ghosts of your own interpretation of other people's point of view.
    Please think about it.
    If you like to think is fine to me, I believe that most people here are aware of the intentions behind your earlier post and the rest of the pictures.

    Hopefully this is only a rare and personal point of view, hopefully is not the majority of the russian population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    ... I believe that most people here are aware of the intentions behind your earlier post and the rest of the pictures.
    Please, tell me what exactly was my intention with the earlier post (I guess you mean "the Master" thread). I would like to learn from my mistakes and improve on my personality. So I would apprciate if you tell me what mistake I made by creating that thread.

    By the way, what exactly do you mean by "the rest of the pictures"? Which ones is that?

    Hopefully this is only a rare and personal point of view, hopefully is not the majority of the russian population.
    Pesonal point of view... I hope you will tell me what exactly my point of view is that is hopefully a minority one. Please tell me what is my personal point of view.

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    Maybe the photo covers an event like this?

    A Russian soldier was riding along the Berlin street upon his bicycle when he saw, coming from the opposite direction, a German also riding a bicycle but without his hands upon the handlebars. The Russian thought it was a ‘special’ bicycle and made the German exchange bicycles.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a3101888.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Well I actually have one observasion that I find interesting about this photo.
    Look at the faces of the german public. There are quite many people on that photo. I do not see much fear on their faces. Half of the public is standing just 1 meter away and watches the event unfolding. The other half passes by. Seemingly calm. The face of the victim does not express much fear as well. Rather determination to stand up for the property.
    What do you think?
    Hello komerades
    Actually this picture looks wery strange.
    Its seems womans behind are .. disappointed
    The other interesting thing is who did shot this picture?
    I doubt that the soviet photographer will shot the violence toward the Germans civils.
    Also if it is allien photographer- this is very unlikely that the Soviet soldiers would so roughly robbed the Germans in the streets.
    Becouse in the april of 1945 the special order of Stavka treated by punishment for every soldiers for violence.

    Sure the bike is very desirable for russians at that time.
    I mean most of them did not even see the bikes befor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Jesus Christ... with this only pic you try to deny the multiple accusations/whitnesses against the Red army, let me say that your case is at list weak.

    The crimes happen and also happen the crimes from the German side, I am pretty sure that the SS and Heer got his quote of raping too.

    Man, I think is time to grow up and accept the simple facts, your are not too young already, you have children...that is what are you teaching to them ? no good at all. Probably you are too blinded to realize but this is utterly ridiculous.
    .................................................. .........
    Hopefully this is only a rare and personal point of view, hopefully is not the majority of the russian population.
    .
    Damn ... our friend Panzerette still confuse the reality with imaginary
    Thank you for touching care about our children.. but i have to distress you.
    Your attack at the the Egorka is simply foolish, do you realise it yourself?
    He just asked the question- you began the hysteria
    Relax buddy.
    We all know you could be a good lad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Your attack at the the Egorka is simply foolish, do you realise it yourself?
    He just asked the question- you began the hysteria
    Yeah, but aren't you glad to see you can go away for a few weeks and come back to find that nothing has changed?

    I almost missed you while you were away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Yeah, but aren't you glad to see you can go away for a few weeks and come back to find that nothing has changed?

    I almost missed you while you were away.
    Sure i/m glad that everybody is on its own places and nothing has changed.
    Especially your feeling of humour

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