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Thread: Sinking of HMS Coventry.

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    Default Re: Sinking of HMS Coventry.

    I attend to a conference of Pablo Marcos Carballo one of the men who attacked the Royal Navy the 25th may and after nearly 2 hours of talking he said nothing about this matters, somebody asked him what he felt about the chileans actions in war and he told was very angry about the conduct of our neighbors but there was no hard feelings...that is it.
    Helo Panzerknacker,

    I do...happen to be a "pen pal" with the nowadays Commodore (R) FAA Pablo Marcos Carballo, I think he is the only Argentine alive with the medal of the Argentine Congress to "Heroic valour in combat". He signs his letters to me as " Your friend Pablo"..... So I think I know something about what he thinks of his then enemy.

    He has visited Britain in several oportunities and whenever we "talk" about the war, he shows his deep respect for his adversaries and I am more than sure that he regrets the loss of life on both sides..

    With respect of the "tear soaking type of war" that seems to inhabit my mind...... I can tell you that Com. Carballo is also a Pen Pal of Keith and his "poetry" and he does not consider it "poetry" at all either....... and he was a combat pilot, who went to "make war" one day yes, and one day no, from the 1st of May to practically the last day...... remember he was the leader of the flight that attacked the landing in Pleasant Bay, at the end almost of the battle, having to go back due to "Scooter" malfunction leaving the then Lt. Cachón in comand with the legendary "Llevelos a la gloria" ( lead them into the glory).

    He also was the flight leader of the HMS Coventry attack...... The HMS Antelope...... Commodore Carballo must have 7 lives at least....

    Good example Com. Carballo, he is a sort of living enciclopaedia of the air war in 1982 South Atlantic........ remember....... one day yes, one day no.....against the Task Force....... he fought for his land with at least as much bravery as the British and allied pilots fought with the Luftwaffe when the "Battle for England" in WWII.

    Many thanks for the answers to the post and I am glad you guys liked the videos and I am sorry for not coming back before, for some reason, the alerts to postings were not coming through so I neglected it for some time.

    Cheers,

    Pánzon.

    PS: It may seem funny, but a few years ago, the then Commander of the whole RAF, Air Marshall Squire ( I seem to remember), visited Argentina and was lodged at the FAA "Hotel" in Buenos Aires..... he visited the FAA and he was even invited to a flight on a two seater Mirage with a pilot that was one of his enemies more than 20 years past then....

    Flying against each other at some time........... having fun together in a combat plane more than 20 years later.
    Last edited by Pánzon; 04-02-2008 at 10:22 AM. Reason: very bad spelling!
    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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    He has visited Britain in several oportunities and whenever we "talk" about the war, he shows his deep respect for his adversaries and I am more than sure that he regrets the loss of life on both sides..
    I repeat I never heard him or read him saying that was sorry about the damage caused or that he cried ( that would be simply ridiculous) when hit a enemy warship.

    The only that I know for sure give some kind of apologies was Cachon. He had a meeting with the HMS Sir Galahand survivors.

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    Panzer.........

    In the name of God almighty........... where did I post that Commodore Carballo ever "cried"? Altough I am sure he did after every mission, when he had to face the loss of friends and "pupils" of him.......

    Those were the words of a survivor of the Antelope....... from the hearth and not trying to pose as the valiant seaman at all.... and in confidence......... and his says were confirmed by a co-forumer of ours.........

    Pánzon.

    PS: You have not "heard him" say nothing about remorses........... It is plain by now that you do not know Com Carballo...... he is the closest and more genuine person........... a real gentleman...... Only problem is he hates politicians...... he did not tell me that, but I can read between lines. He is a soldier and they are not "killing machines", they are people that excelled in their profession and suddendly, found themselves in a very difficult situation......

    Whenever you talk to him, he reminds you that he is not a politician, but a soldier....

    If you want, I can make available to you his last conference in audio file....... he reffers to Keith´s history there.

    And......... why a bit "hostile" to me? My Argentine brother?
    Last edited by Pánzon; 04-02-2008 at 02:25 PM.
    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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    Only problem is he hates politicians......
    ¿ Acaso no los odiamos todos ?

    No soy hostil querido, simplemente no me gusta tu version endulzada de la guerra en las que todos se abrazan y besan con las armas humeantes en la mano. Ese es el panorama que hace rato estas intentando colocar, te apoye cuando te atacaron de forma gratuita pero ya esto es demasiado. ¿me entendes ahora ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    ż Acaso no los odiamos todos ?

    No soy hostil querido, simplemente no me gusta tu versión endulzada de la guerra en las que todos se abrazan y besan con las armas humeantes en la mano. Ese es el panorama que hace rato estas intentando colocar, te apoye cuando te atacaron de forma gratuita pero ya esto es demasiado. żme entendes ahora ?
    Entiendo tu posición y la respeto, cada uno tiene derecho a mirar hacia el pasado y el futuro con su propia visión.

    I understand your position and I respect it, each individual has the right to see towards the past and future through his own lenses.

    Saludos.
    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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    Panzon,

    Nice to see you around good buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I could be wrong but I believe the usual missions in war consisted to destroy the enemy within the limits of the war laws.

    We can do all the moral, ethical and psichological considerations we like ( and I dont like in this case) but in the cramped cockpit of an A-4C wich try desperately of not being wiped out by flak or the red lighted combat room of a missile destroyer who is about to be attacked there is no much space for that.

    Panzon is trying to give a tears soaked image of the all the combattants in the Malvinas war wich only exist in his imagination.
    Talk for yourself Panzer. For me the brits think of themselves as the moral guardians of the world, but are the weapon providers of half of the african dictators. They, even provided bombers and ships to Argentina before the war.
    So don´t act like a fake Mother Theresa of Calcutta. If we had the balls to attack the brits 28 years ago, we can´t now play it down, and try to kiss their asses.
    Brits will love us again, when they see they can make business with us again.

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    pulqui
    For me the brits think of themselves as the moral guardians of the world, but are the weapon providers of half of the african dictators. They, even provided bombers and ships to Argentina before the war.
    I seem to see more AK's, RPG7's and T55 or PT76 (or their chinese equivalents) in use in Africa than SA80 or SLR, Garl Gustav and Cheiftan or Centurion or even CVRT series.

    The Meteor (fighter) and lancaster/lincoln bombers were provided long before the falklands (most aircraft were french or american)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Talk for yourself Panzer.
    I think you may find that PK will indeed talk for himself.

    And I rather hope he will.

    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    For me the brits think of themselves as the moral guardians of the world,
    Well, that's a refreshing change.

    I thought the Americans had appointed themselves to that position.

    We'd be better off with British moral leadership. For a start, unlike the Yanks, the Brits don't have the loony conservatives supporting anyone who supports Israel to ensure the Second Coming and other Biblical notions which have distorted relations with the Middle East for the past half century or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    but are the weapon providers of half of the african dictators.
    Would this be during the Angolan butchery, where most people think that the USSR was the main provider of weapons?

    Where would this fit with Nkomo's Soviet and Mugabe's China alliances in Rhodesia / Zimbabwe's wars?

    Or would this claim about supplying arms to half of African dictators be a little disingenuous when one recognises that Russia isn't exactly lily white in this area? http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45598

    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    They, even provided bombers and ships to Argentina before the war.
    Britain did not, however, supply Argentina with the Belgrano.

    It came from America.

    So why is it acceptable for America to supply Argentina with the Belgrano but it was wrong for Britain to supply Argentina and other nations with other items?

    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    So don´t act like a fake Mother Theresa of Calcutta. If we had the balls to attack the brits 28 years ago, we can´t now play it down, and try to kiss their asses.
    Brits will love us again, when they see they can make business with us again.
    I'm guessing you're about fifteen years old and full of uninformed conviction and righteous anger about things you do not understand and have not bothered to study before expressing your views.

    Try to inform yourself before your next post. Because, so far, you're just looking like a nationalistic idiot with ants in your pants about something you don't understand.
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    A rational army would run away.
    Montesquieu

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