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    Default Sinking of HMS Coventry.

    Hello everybody,

    I would like to leave you with the links to a series of videos in YouTube that develop the attack on HMS Broadsword and HMS Coventry, with the result of the sinking of the later.

    It is made over what Captain Hart- Dyke, of the Coventry wrote in his books 4 weeks of May.

    At least two of the attacking pilots have seen this material so far. I really think we can talk about it. It is a very moving documentary, with the "story" told by Capt. Hart- Dyke himself and several other members of the crew.

    Please do not botter in looking into the "comments" to the videos, some people that visits YouTube seem to have two brain cells in action only.

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=XQVZRhNtqHw
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=elcMaO...eature=related
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=flsL4i...eature=related
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=flsL4i...eature=related
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=rQuPDW...eature=related
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNMlC...eature=related
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pC2EoD...eature=related

    You are suppossed to watch them in the same order as they appear.

    Receive my warmes regards you all.

    Pánzon
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    Default Re: Sinking of HMS Coventry.

    Not too bad a video, the ones I've watched so far.

    I can't understand most of the comments, but some comments are by losers who don't know what they are talking about. You'll find that when the smoke clears the combatents (ie the Argie pilots and the British sailors) would not make such comments or laugh about death, injury and destruction.

    But that is the loss of those who make such comments. That they would/will never put themselves to the ultimate test. It often puzzles for a short time how former combatants can be so friendly years after the event. It is easy to understand however, as they have so much in common.

    HMS Coventry, incidentaly, was the number one Argentine plane killer up until the point she was sunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000ydstare View Post
    It often puzzles for a short time how former combatants can be so friendly years after the event. It is easy to understand however, as they have so much in common.
    What I find very distressing about seeing the common understanding and friendship between enemy combatants years after a war is the realisation that their dead comrades who can't participate in it died for something that wouldn't have occurred if politicians had managed a similar understanding of common interests between nations before launching their nations into war.
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    Gracias Panzon, es un buen documental.

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    Thank you all for the comments on the videos passed to me by a friend.

    With regards to the friendship among former combatants...... I see it natural...... the combatants, except the Argentine conscripts were proffesional soldiers......

    One bit of the doc reacalled my atention to the comments made by my friend Keith when he said that "they cried over their brothers of the sea" when hearing on the siking of the Belgrano.........on board Antelope. I was laughed about when said that, but apparently, not only Keith and his shipmates felt sorry for the destiny of the crew.

    Profesional soldiers are also persons, and a mixture of "it can happen to me tomorrow" and genuine simpathy for the destiny of the crew of the sunk ship.

    Every Argentine pilot regrets the death caused in the British ships, but itwas a battle and so things were.

    Best regards.
    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    What I find very distressing about seeing the common understanding and friendship between enemy combatants years after a war is the realisation that their dead comrades who can't participate in it died for something that wouldn't have occurred if politicians had managed a similar understanding of common interests between nations before launching their nations into war.
    Very good post Mr. Risig Sun.

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    One bit of the doc reacalled my atention to the comments made by my friend Keith when he said that "they cried over their brothers of the sea" when hearing on the siking of the Belgrano.........on board Antelope. I was laughed about when said that, but apparently, not only Keith and his shipmates felt sorry for the destiny of the crew.
    My good...that poetry again.

    Every Argentine pilot regrets the death caused in the British ships, but itwas a battle and so things were.
    I think that phrase is redundant.

    Sorry but I dont agree there. Do you had talked with every argentine pilot to said that ?
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    Panzerknacker, nothing personnel but you've never served, and you've never been in a combat situation.

    Whilst in some wars the two sides will never reconcile (Japanese V British and Austrailian in WW2 for example) some will.

    Apologies, but you will not know what you are talking about from books and a thinking how you would feel. The terror and adrenaline, the smoke and the smells, the sights and scenes, the screams of wounded and crackle of fires, the feel of dust and grit on your person. It changes you.
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    Apologies, but you will not know what you are talking about from books and a thinking how you would feel. The terror and adrenaline, the smoke and the smells, the sights and scenes, the screams of wounded and crackle of fires, the feel of dust and grit on your person. It changes you.
    Yea, yea, all that but I dont remember all argentines pilots saying they regret they actions.

    I attend to a conference of Pablo Marcos Carballo one of the men who attacked the Royal Navy the 25th may and after nearly 2 hours of talking he said nothing about this matters, somebody asked him what he felt about the chileans actions in war and he told was very angry about the conduct of our neighbors but there was no hard feelings...that is it.

    And in any case...why they should feel sorry aniway ?, they were just fullfilling his duty as the british did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    And in any case...why they should feel sorry aniway ?, they were just fullfilling his duty as the british did.
    Isn't it possible to perform one's duty but regret what one had to do in performing it?

    Isn't that one of the great human and moral problems of war, that people do appalling things which are necessary according to their national or political loyalties but which may haunt them and the people to whom they did it, and their descendants, forever?

    Would any of it happen if everyone subscribed to a higher duty than nationalism, such as a general commitment to humanitarian principles?
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    I could be wrong but I believe the usual missions in war consisted to destroy the enemy within the limits of the war laws.

    We can do all the moral, ethical and psichological considerations we like ( and I dont like in this case) but in the cramped cockpit of an A-4C wich try desperately of not being wiped out by flak or the red lighted combat room of a missile destroyer who is about to be attacked there is no much space for that.

    Panzon is trying to give a tears soaked image of the all the combattants in the Malvinas war wich only exist in his imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I could be wrong but I believe the usual missions in war consisted to destroy the enemy within the limits of the war laws.

    We can do all the moral, ethical and psichological considerations we like ( and I dont like in this case) but in the cramped cockpit of an A-4C wich try desperately of not being wiped out by flak or the red lighted combat room of a missile destroyer who is about to be attacked there is no much space for that.

    Panzon is trying to give a tears soaked image of the all the combattants in the Malvinas war wich only exist in his imagination.
    Different people/different situations. Panzon is not claiming that a pilot dropping bombs on a ship is thinking of the ramifications.

    A fighter jock requires a fair bit of aggression and nerve to carry out his job. So you are correct, whilst he is flying in and engaged he wont be having too many thoughts about it.

    On the way back, they thoughts may creep in. And certainly after he has landed when he tries to sleep.

    Same with the bayonet wielding soldier. In the assault there wont be pity. But come the aftermath, the eyes of the enemy combattent he kebabed will come back.

    The crews on the boats going down South, on hearing about the Belgrano, would have had every sympathy. They may have been thinking about the same fate.

    Servicemen and women are often very adept at putting such thoughts in to boxes when needed, like when in combat. The boxes can be opened again when the boredem returns.

    Soldiers in wars often think of the other side. In 1982, many British would have been thinking of the others, because many soldiers going down there would have wondered what the fuss was about. They wouldn't harbour the Argies any grudges.

    For the Argentines, they would have been thinking would have been split. Some the same as the British, some would have been high on national fervour.

    You seem to be under the delusion that your pilots (or any serviceman or woman) is some sort of cold killing machine, who calmly or exaltingly drops bombs on other people and hands out death and destruction.

    Doesn't happen mate.

    All servicemen will be caught up with by their service, how they deal with it will mean the difference between them coming to terms with it, or putting a bullet in their heads.

    I think you will find on both sides there are many who have chosen the latter.

    Argie and Brit Vets have met each other since the Falklands, you will find this would not be possible if they were still giving out war whoops, about killing each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000ydstare View Post
    Argie and Brit Vets have met each other since the Falklands, you will find this would not be possible if they were still giving out war whoops, about killing each other.
    Which brings us to the point that those who take nations to war and those who still fly the national military flag aggressively long after the event are often those who have the least experience of war.

    Their ignorance, or lack of humanity, allows them to have that enthusiasm.
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    sorry for the off-topic reply,.
    but the following link,. really showed how the US pilot enjoying burning the Victor Charlie,. and it was fantastic view seeing them (VC) running in fire.

    I guess not every combatants could felt the feel of their counterparts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIXa...eature=related
    Last edited by gumalangi; 03-21-2008 at 10:00 PM.
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    FFS

    Read the posts, mongs, or better yet join up so you can taste the cordite yourself, then get back to me.
    If you post idiocy, don't get upset if you are seen as an idiot.... I don't.

    Here endth the lesson.




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