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Shooter RE:What is this thing? 12/1/2004 12:33:47 AM
It is a "sound supressor" or silencer for arty training some place were they want to test fire it, but have local problems with noise. Those cans are shipping containers for helo engines and other parts that require inert gas to prevent long term storage problems. They have been welded together to reduce muzzle blast of the M-109 A6 in the picture. Which may or may not be a put up. I'll bet it gets a 30DBa reduction in sound pressure! Now what do I win?
gf0012-aust bloody hell 12/3/2004 4:07:20 AM
the ferkin thing is a real price of kit for cryin out loud! It's used by the german army for velocity and break tests. it also is designed to act as a suppressor. this thing first cropped up a year ago. there are numerous shots of it on some of the german armoured forums. (JED??). Mil Forums like The Basement have identified it in the past. it's not photoshopped. It's the real deal.
For Petes sake RE:bloody hell 12/8/2004 3:26:59 PM
GF and Shooter are right. I just Googled it, and it is used by the Germans. It makes sense because they have to operate in civilian areas, or very near to them because of the population density. Everyone jumps to the conclusion that photos can be easily faked.. not true at all. In fact it's bloody difficult, I've been working as a pro with Photoshop for eight years, and I have yet to perfect the "doctored" photo.
bluejacket RE:bloody hell 12/9/2004 12:16:24 AM
For Petes sake ---- Would you please post the links? I have some folks I would like to show that this is real.
gf0012-aust Schalldäempfer 12/10/2004 2:56:40 AM
It's called a Schalldäempfer "Das Photo zeigt eine PzH M109 mit Schalldäempfer bei der Wehrtechnischen Dienststelle (WTD) in Meppen) (Photo: Pahlkötter)" link
gf0012-aust Schalldäempfer - oops 12/10/2004 2:59:58 AM
typo: correct spelling is Schalldämpfer
gf0012-aust further to this 12/10/2004 3:09:01 AM
The german army has a ballistics test range in Meppen. This is where this particular piece of equipment is.
Desertmole RE:further to this 12/11/2004 6:18:45 AM
Germany has a lot of environmental regulations that the US Army had to live with over the years. About the only area where unconstrained artillery firing was Grafenwohr, and in the 80s we were allowed to fire 363 days per year. No firing was allowed on Christmas and Easter Sunday. Since that time, and because the number of units firing declined greatly, more and more restrictions on firing have been put in place, though I do not have any details.
Desertmole RE:further to this 12/11/2004 6:22:42 AM
Also, one must remember that the average distance between villages and towns is something like 800 meters. Germany is so urbanized in this regard that even where there are ranges and testign areas, they have a lot of neighbors.
gf0012-aust further to this - Desetmole 12/11/2004 7:00:55 AM
"Also, one must remember that the average distance between villages and towns is something like 800 meters." I'm not so sure it's 800m. I have to go to Germany for work every 2 months or so - and there are big gaps in the middle.
Typically I'm in Mannheim, Stuttgart, Ladenburg, Stuttgart. All of these have substantial acreage in between.
Desertmole RE:further to this - Desetmole 12/12/2004 12:33:07 PM
I saw a terrain study back in the 80s that said that was the average distance. I know it certainly seemed true in upper Bavaria where I was stationed at the time. In those areas, take a closer look at the countryside. Many of the seemingly clear areas will have small hamlets (maybe 6-8 houses and a barn or two) between the larger cities and towns.