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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    Well is a compromise evidently, to modify the 5,56x 45mm round to make subsonic gave away a lot of performance. Not to mention that the gas operated system stop working and you got a single shot "hand operated assault rifle"

    However the supersonic "supressed" rifles still have some advantages.

    The new can eliminated enough of the muzzle blast so that the location of
    the shooter was undetectable to hostiles downrange, which greatly improved a shooter’s tactical advantage
    and survivability. Given ideal vegetation and terrain, the muzzle blast from
    an M16A1 was completely indistinguishable beyond 50 yards.

    Only the sonic boom created by the 5.56mm projectile remained, which sounds something like the report of a short barreled .22 rifle. In the absence of a muzzle blast, the mammalian brain interprets
    the origin of the gunshot as perpendicular to the pressure wave of
    the ballistic crack striking the body. Combined with the sound of bullet impact, this phenomenon causes individuals to turn their attention 90 to 180 degrees away from the shooter. This is a very good thing during an ambush or when a small force equipped with silencersmust cope with a larger force.

    Quote from "The Small Arms Review - Vol. 5 No. 8 May, 2002"
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    I have a sneaking suspicion that it might be something to do with health and safety - reducing the sound levels at the shooter. It also makes comms within the section work a lot better too...

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    As you probably know the SA80 is not the first assault rifle in 5,56mm to be equipped with a supressor.



    Comeback ? maybe but it was never completely gone

    Of course not! Hasn't anyone seen "The Jerk?"

    But I would think a silencer would deprive a small caliber weapon round its only real positive attribute. The high velocity...

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    These are suppressors, not silencers. In other words, they reduce the noise generated by the muzzle gases while having a minimal effect on the muzzle velocity. Silencers require a subsonic round, suppressors don't.

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    I have a sneaking suspicion that it might be something to do with health and safety - reducing the sound levels at the shooter.
    That was the original purpose behind the supressor, unfortunately this device has been historically linked to assasins,robbers and so, wrong image because very few criminals used it, and it is more often in the hand of Goverment agencies like army, special forces and police units.


    Video:

    The Pistole Polizei Kurz (Walther PPK) with silencer.

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=OxfvwhCXY9Y

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    Supressed MG-34 with finnish made silencers.



    MG-34 "twins" shot with different sounds in students' shooting event in Lappeenranta - one with the usual loud tearing noise, the other with curious puffing sound reminding of a diesel engine throttled. These guns were among the most favoured weapons among the shooting participants and audience of the event. Reflex Suppressor R8MG replaces the original flash hider in seconds


    http://www.guns.connect.fi/rs/MG.html

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    The best supressed small arm for me

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    (Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel, one who survived the breakout of Budapest)

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    not realy small arms but....


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    Major Walter Schmidt:
    I think is very similar to something...
    "The consciousness that I am alive, makes me wild dreams every day"
    (Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel, one who survived the breakout of Budapest)

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    Hallo, I need to remember that the "thing" above have already its own topic so...

    http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6073
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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    Since the subsonic rounds are (perhaps in error, tho I think more knowledgeable heads will know the answer to this) widely supposed/attributed to have been manufactured for the Vampyr application among others, I would have little doubt they'd be lethal within the given range, notwithstanding that said range is less than that of a standard round.

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    The aplication of the german short range ammunition in the battlefield was really limited, most of the scharfschützen prefered to use the normal SS and to shoot from long distance instead to use the nahpatrone at 100 or 150 meters away of its target.
    I guess It was mostly used for internal security affairs and antipartisan duties.

    The nahpatrone for the 7,92x33 would be problematic , probably it didnt work the action properly making the gun in manually operated instead semi or full auto.

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    Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.

    Very clear video showing the distict sound of a silenced MP5SD

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM6Hw-vgtAQ

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