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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    ...the point is that I have seen numerous times similar german photage of the RKKA POW. I know what the voice behinfd the camera whould say about them. I know what SS and Wermacht soldiers had in mind about them (I am reading curently the book "Letter from the Eastern Front", Copenhagen, 2006 about privat letter analysis of the soldiers).
    So as for me I have all the context I need. Because those people became symbols ones frosen on the photo. And it does not matter if that SS guy had in reality a tiny bit of compassion to that Kirgiz boy.
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    I have seen film footage and photographs in similar fashion taken during the Battle of the Bulge with German soldiers standing next to African-American prisoners of war. A white American POW commented that the Germans had a field day comparing their features to those of the captured American blacks.

    Wacht am Rhein (4 Jan 1945) video clip
    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/wa...945/3682863296

    Black American POW's compared to German soldiers - starts approx at 6:15 on video counter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Rising Sun*, save your energy. I know what you are trying to say and I am not arguing with it.
    Yes, pictures can and do lie. But we have to be smart and think, right. We just have to be critical and that is it.

    Honestly, neither of 3 photos you posted here make me think anything like you suggested. Like f.ex. ignorant people and the burning towers. Anf the bloke on the right does not look like he wants to shoot japanese POWs either.

    the point is that I have seen numerous times similar german photage of the RKKA POW. I know what the voice behinfd the camera whould say about them. I know what SS and Wermacht soldiers had in mind about them (I am reading curently the book "Letter from the Eastern Front", Copenhagen, 2006 about privat letter analysis of the soldiers).
    So as for me I have all the context I need. Because those people became symbols ones frosen on the photo. And it does not matter if that SS guy had in reality a tiny bit of compassion to that Kirgiz boy.
    Egorka

    I don't dispute that your interpretation might well be correct.

    What I dispute is that it is the only possible interpretation.

    I think you're investing the photo with your personal beliefs about what's going on, as will many other people, but in the end it's just a photo that tells us nothing about what the German is thinking, whereas you're interpreting the photo as evidence of his Nazi thoughts and attitudes.

    If somebody had taken a photo of Hitler grimacing in pain from one of his gastric attacks, I'm sure it could be interpreted as evidence of his crazy hatred. And probably would be if all we had to go on was the photo.

    And here's a perfect example of the caption telling a story that the photograph doesn't, at least not to my eye, because people have invested the photo with their understanding of the background rather than what the camera has captured.

    The photographer, listed as unknown but more than likely 7th Division military photographer Corporal Robert Donaldson, captured not only the total subjugation of the Japanese commander, Major General Uno, but also the barely repressed fury of an Australian commanding officer who had spent three years fighting against a savage enemy, and had recently seen many of his own men killed and wounded in the final campaign of the war – one which many at the time felt was unnecessary. Balikpapan was the last large-scale Allied operation of the war, and one of the more costly for the Australian forces. Robson’s 2/31st Battalion had suffered severely and the commander was in no mood to be charitable.
    http://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/31/article.asp

    See enlarged photo here http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/118033

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    You think I do not know that a picture can lie? Well I have seen this one:



    instruction:
    "If you watch the above images from your seat in front of the computer, Mr. Angry is on the left, and Mrs. Calm is on the right.

    Get up from your seat, and move back 12 feet, and PRESTO - they switch places.
    It is said this illusion was created by Phillippe G.Schyns and Aude Oliva of the Univ. of Glasgow.
    This proves that we may not be seeing what's actually there, all the time!"

    source: http://egorka-datskij.livejournal.com/41106.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    So I don't see any reasons to gloat over it for the admirers of the Soviets.
    Kato, do you think I am a "Soviet admirer"?
    If yes, then how do you figure out that?

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    3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

    Good discussion though I have to admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

    Good discussion though I have to admit.
    yes indeed mr. moderator, both of us have seen other kind of dicussions...good job men...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

    Good discussion though I have to admit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters.

    That's what you think, you haggis eating kilt monkey, trying to hijack this thread with your latest Pict troll.

    Wait till you see how people respond to your not so subtle troll about "when you consider the ... posters". If I was George Eller, I'd be seriously pissed off.

    And it was all going so well until you had to ruin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    And it was all going so well until you had to ruin it.
    Yahhh... I feel like getting into trouble now too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Yahhh... I feel like getting into trouble now too...
    See!

    I knew it would happen.

    Bloody Firefly and his troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    See!

    I knew it would happen.

    Bloody Firefly and his troll!
    who are you calling a TROLL ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koen View Post
    who are you calling a TROLL ?
    Firefly.

    See how it's degenerated since he trolled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Firefly.

    See how it's degenerated since he trolled?
    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response
    A troll is a fearsome member of a mythical anthropomorphic race from Norse mythology. Originally more or less the Nordic equivalents of giants, although often smaller in size, the different depictions have come to range from the fiendish giants – similar to the ogres of England (also called Trolls at times, see Troller's Gill) – to a devious, more human-like folk of the wilderness, living underground in hills, caves or mounds. In the Faroe islands, Orkney and Shetland tales, trolls are called trows, adopted from the Norse language when these islands were settled by Vikings.
    ok, I was a bit confused now....

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    Oh, you guys.......



    Bunch of Nazi sympathisers the lot of ye!

    Oh BTW its Burns night tonight!!!! Nothing like a thread hijack [PK would be spinning in his grave if he werent alive]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/burnsnight/

    Me, I'll be in the Mess, probably have a sore head tomorrow as these things usually get out of hand. Of course if you want to look smart in the Mess you need to get the right duds, you can order some stuff here if you want.

    http://www.messdress.com/index.html
    Last edited by Firefly; 01-25-2008 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Oh, you guys.......



    Bunch of Nazi sympathisers the lot of ye!

    Oh BTW its Burns night tonight!!!! Nothing like a thread hijack [PK would be spinning in his grave if he werent alive]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/burnsnight/
    BURNS NIGHT?


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