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Thread: Who killed th General Sikorski?

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    Hi DVX

    It’s all history now but a small group of dispirited people can do a lot of things, you will find that it was not the first time attempts were made to kill Sikorski rather quite a few as it was only the simplest method that finally worked as they were attempting to kill him for months. You know in reality with our family history I would have blamed the Russians also as being the ones who would have done this but I was surprised as well considering dad’s cousin later on was one of the leaders of the “trial of sixteen” and another the Prime Minister of Poland in exile!

    What’s interesting is that when I questioned my father back in 1984 before he died and I said ….Dad you said you had a choice of England, America and Australia to go to when fleeing Western Germany. So why did you not go to America or England for that matter? He said mum did not wish to go to America (he met my mother in Germany and she thought she would be persecuted in the U.S.) and about England Dad said they ‘betrayed us’ and favoured the Russians just on the ending of the war to us and let our country go to the Russians and broke a promise with the Polish they did not really care about us.

    As a fleeing ‘Doomed Soldier’ being all of these even from capture by the Germans in 1939 he protected himself by changing his name or simply his dob many times to as he was K.O.P., imprisoned in 3 x stalags in Germany then escaped to France from Stalag VB after being released for work detail on a Farm to feed the 3rd Reich and became one of Sikorski’s protectors and then with the Allies/Anders Army after they won against Rommel in the African desert he went to Italy where he was trained by the English as ‘Cichociemni’ (Dark and Silent) then dropped by parachute in late 1944 from italy (brindisi) back into Poland to help start more Polish Resistance groups like the 5 Wilenska Brygada, then power up the Brygada Swietokryska with the training he had to connect to the Polish American Soldiers with Paton’s Army using HAM radios. He also coordinated the event with the Holysov incident where they (Brygada) took on the Concentration camp with 200 SS Commandos and won (on his 100th birthday posthumously he was award a medal for this), just as the 3rd Army rocked up, as history shows Paton was so impressed they hired Dad and the Brygada to go into U.S. controlled Germany (West) and route out Nazis and he was used in the Nuremberg trials etc. Dad interestingly enough was with WIN at the same time as an intelligence Officer and still had his Salamander badge on him this is the group Stalin disliked……..it goes on!

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    Yes, sometime between late 1942 after being given a monopoly game he entered france after killing the two farm managers where they placed him. He was given a silk map, compass and 500 francs hidden in a game of monopoly when in Stalag VB in Villingen in mid to very late 1942 distributed by the Red Cross. This apparently was placed there by the British I didnt know this he showed me the map made of Rayon/Silk he also showed me and I have kept one of the Francs . His story is truly miraculous I dont know how he wasnt killed about a million times or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngbruno View Post
    to Rising Sun
    Yes, sometime between late 1942 after being given a monopoly game he entered france after killing the two farm managers where they placed him. He was given a silk map, compass and 500 francs hidden in a game of monopoly when in Stalag VB in Villingen in mid to very late 1942 distributed by the Red Cross. This apparently was placed there by the British I didnt know this he showed me the map made of Rayon/Silk he also showed me and I have kept one of the Francs . His story is truly miraculous I dont know how he wasnt killed about a million times or more.
    Was Sikorski in France in late 1942?

    I doubt that the Red Cross distributed anything that would help prisoners escape as that would have undermined the Red Cross's neutrality and ability to enter camps and provide assistance to POWs.

    However, the Monopoly story, apart from the Red Cross aspect, could well be correct. See http://www.snopes.com/military/monopoly.asp
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    Interesting link, I'd of never guessed 35,000 Allied POW's made it out...

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    Hi Rising Star

    Sorry I really don't know where or when General Wladyslaw Sikorski was in France; I was just taken aback by how my dad escaped to be quite frank.

    The Monopoly games what I have just found out were apparently created by a "fictitious company" in England coordinated with the Games owner's and either MI5 or MI9 to produce these aids to prisoners of war for escape. They distributed these games in especially marked boxes i.e. a special marker on the top of each box for the appropriate Stalag etc.

    So a special game was to be given if the Stalag etc close to a country say France then they would send the appropriately loaded game to that Stalag with maps for France in Silk/Rayon, compass and French Francs. I actually have one of those 500 Francs Dad kept but did'nt spend they were made in 1940, Stalag VB was apparently only about 45kms away from the French border.

    For your information the Red Cross were kept out of the loop to not damage their integrity and for their safety! To not compromise them and as the German's trusted them they never checked the games. The English (MI9) did not tell them they contained anything and its due to their spectacular effor I would like to publically thank them on our Family's behalf for doing this; as this is the reason why I am here today and my brothers and sisters.

    Well done MI9 if that is who did this you saved many lives, my father and myself do thank you!

    If you wish to see the man whom they saved now turned to digital Dad was filmed by the German Wehrmacht on 13th of October 1939 being rounded up with other Polish General Army members just before they or he was taken to Stalag VA in Germany, which was one of three Stalags he was in.

    On Youtube he is shown at exactly 1:00 min the German properganda department was in full swing and tried to film all the prisoners to show just how kind the German Army was and how happy they were and that they fed them well.

    Go to youtube and type in ... Polish POW 1939 and select this one....... Polscy jency 1939 - (Polish POW 1939)
    Since I am new they wont allow me to post a link on this site yet.

    When the German film crew went by they stopped on my Father as he had "Brand New" General Army clothing on, they knew something was wrong but did'nt know what so they panned up and down on him then continued on.

    He was infact a K.O.P. officer which is the ones they were slaughtered at KATYN. He was the only survivor to my knowledge of Dederkaly K.O.P. he changed his clothes to normal Army whilst on the run. If you watch the Movie that is called KATYN that's were all Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza went as they were the protectors of Poland from the Russians. Dad heard as early as October 1939 they were going to kill all INTELLIGENSIA well before Stalin signed the orders.

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    Polscy jency 1939 - (Polish POW 1939)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Interesting link, I'd of never guessed 35,000 Allied POW's made it out...
    Me neither.

    I'm taking Snopes (which professes to be the ants' pants in accuracy) at face value.

    I have no idea of the numbers who got out along the ratlines etc.

    Depends also what is meant by "Allied POW", and what constitutes "successfully escaped".

    The latter term would mean to me that they got back home or at least somewhere where the Nazis couldn't get them for the rest of the war, e.g. Switzerland (which was probably distracted from dealing with escaped POWs from Germany by the constant effort required to deal with the riches deposited by the Nazis in Swiss banks).

    The prospect of about 12,000 POWs escaping on the basis of Monopoly maps seems a bit unlikely, but the article says only that they were aided by the maps. They had to get out of the camps and then survive in a hostile environment. The maps were only a navigational aid which weren't the major, although no doubt very useful, element in any successful escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Me neither.

    I'm taking Snopes (which professes to be the ants' pants in accuracy) at face value.

    I have no idea of the numbers who got out along the ratlines etc.

    Depends also what is meant by "Allied POW", and what constitutes "successfully escaped".

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    Yeah, there were over a million French POW's alone, from 1940, held for the better part of the war...

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