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    Hi everybody. I'd like to add my two cents regarding the recent unpleasant occurrences on the site involving fueling racial hate by alleged germans.
    I tryed to stay out of all the debates as long as possible cause I am enjoying the forum too much to deal with this negative attitude.
    But now it seems that the number of verbal aggressive germans is increasing rapidly. Sure, their output has to be called clumsy but as it provokes statements like "thick teutonic skulls" I thimk it's time to intervene.
    As I already mentioned we're dealing with alleged germans here, either living in other countries for whatever reasons or calling themselves "(swiss) german americans" -whatever this means. Now the next one -with an "always faithful" nickname tells us about how he hates russians. Not to forget that the members in question all to seem minors.
    What I really like to say is that you guys should remember that the "real" germans on the site, this means established ones like e.g. Drake and Flammpanzer or relative newbees like myself and tank expert Sergej (who comes from Siberia with a german background as I assume, please correct me if I am wrong), try to add useful input to the site and would never lower themselves to those kinds of statements. PEACE!

    P.S. In my opinions it's a Solomonian decision of Firefly to ban Stevey for "just" three weeks and not permanently since I "know" him from the photo section for a couple of months now and think he is a funny guy if he's not on the warpath and starting paradoxal threats like "Stevey14/88 no Nazi" (ouch, this bites!). Like Firefly I am sure the guy can be worked on and it's not too late for him to change attitude since he's very young. But, Stevey, you and me had this issue before and I still don't believe you to be german!

    P.P.S Let's not forget about humor, a little picking on each other is okay I think, since americans, british, australian and canadians here are permanantly doing so. Yes, in contrary to general opinion, germans have some humor too. Personally I'd be the last not to laugh about a little making fun of germans like "Hogan's Heroes" or "Saving Private Ryan".
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    I have german background but am Canadian and I didn't find the writings that are fueling racial hate by alleged germans. Maybe I am looking at the wrong pages..but thank you for your feedback and note well taken.tx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Hi everybody. I'd like to add my two cents regarding the recent unpleasant occurrences on the site involving fueling racial hate by alleged germans.
    I tryed to stay out of all the debates as long as possible cause I am enjoying the forum too much to deal with this negative attitude.
    But now it seems that the number of verbal aggressive germans is increasing rapidly. Sure, their output has to be called clumsy but as it provokes statements like "thick teutonic skulls" I thimk it's time to intervene.
    As I already mentioned we're dealing with alleged germans here, either living in other countries for whatever reasons or calling themselves "(swiss) german americans" -whatever this means. Now the next one -with an "always faithful" nickname tells us about how he hates russians. Not to forget that the members in question all to seem minors.
    What I really like to say is that you guys should remember that the "real" germans on the site, this means established ones like e.g. Drake and Flammpanzer or relative newbees like myself and tank expert Sergej (who comes from Siberia with a german background as I assume, please correct me if I am wrong), try to add useful input to the site and would never lower themselves to those kinds of statements. PEACE!

    P.S. In my opinions it's a Solomonian decision of Firefly to ban Stevey for "just" three weeks and not permanently since I "know" him from the photo section for a couple of months now and think he is a funny guy if he's not on the warpath and starting paradoxal threats like "Stevey14/88 no Nazi" (ouch, this bites!). Like Firefly I am sure the guy can be worked on and it's not too late for him to change attitude since he's very young. But, Stevey, you and me had this issue before and I still don't believe you to be german!

    P.P.S Let's not forget about humor, a little picking on each other is okay I think, since americans, british, australian and canadians here are permanantly doing so. Yes, in contrary to general opinion, germans have some humor too. Personally I'd be the last not to laugh about a little making fun of germans like "Hogan's Heroes" or "Saving Private Ryan".
    As the author of the 'thick Teutonic skull' piece, I can assure you that all my comments were directed to Nazis and not to Germans who weren't Nazis.

    To the extent that my comments may have indicated otherwise, it wasn't intended.

    If you read my posts you will find that I have made the point repeatedly that modern Germany is opposed to a resurgence of Nazism.

    As am I.

    Which is why I don't give any quarter in conflicts with neo-Nazis, whether or not they claim to be German or of German descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    As the author of the 'thick Teutonic skull' piece, I can assure you that all my comments were directed to Nazis and not to Germans who weren't Nazis.

    To the extent that my comments may have indicated otherwise, it wasn't intended.

    If you read my posts you will find that I have made the point repeatedly that modern Germany is opposed to a resurgence of Nazism.

    As am I.

    Which is why I don't give any quarter in conflicts with neo-Nazis, whether or not they claim to be German or of German descent.

    No misunderstanding, I didn't expect you to be anti-german and it's a logic consequence to use phrases like this. Hell, we are (partially) teutonic and have (partially) thick heads. I just wanted to point on the danger of generalizing. It's your god-given right to attack Neo-Nazis whether they're from Germany or anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herman2 View Post
    I have german background but am Canadian and I didn't find the writings that are fueling racial hate by alleged germans. Maybe I am looking at the wrong pages..but thank you for your feedback and note well taken.tx.
    Heman, I think it all occured during your forced vacation lately.
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    LOL.Ya thats true!

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    Yeah, we do seem to have had a large number of wannabe Germans cropping up of late. Personally I think it's just that teenage boys at a certain age think Nazi Uniforms are really, really cool and that the Nazis were a great bunch really. Due to the way that at that age their brain really doesn't work very well they therefore identify with Nazis and it appears want to be German. There is certainly no sign of them actually being able to speak German - the total lack of response to Stoaty's questions in German being strongly indicative of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    There is certainly no sign of them actually being able to speak German - the total lack of response to Stoaty's questions in German being strongly indicative of this.
    That's exactly the reason why I suspect Stevey to be as german as the London Brigde or Fish 'n Chips. Beyond the internationally known Third Reich phrases and salutes there was nothing much of knowledge of german language. He tried but to me it was obvious that's just an english text translated by some free-ware internet translation site, sounded like these japanese manuals for remote controls...Anyway, Stevey, no hard feelings or just prove me wrong. When you come back in 20 days, maybe it's the occasion to start all over with a true identity and maybe a little modified user name. As you never claimed to be a veteran yourself I am sure all can be forgiven.
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    I must admit I find it difficult when people go at Stevey with attitudes and language that is as racist as his. I think I've kept my cool and try and be a bit clever (you may disagree). As a 14-16 yr old I devoured Hassell, Kessler and any other war porn that came along, I admired the fighting spirit of the SS etc but never actually wanted to be one. However young men make poor choices my signature is the badge of the 31st SS, a Division I have studied and it consisted of some volunteers who at 15 and 16 joined what was obviously the losing side to defend their homeland against the perceived enemy, the Red Army which was about to invade their land. I have some sympathy because at that age I probably would have too.

    But I still will pile into him or any other pretend Nazi because if we prevent one being that stupid it's worth it.

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    I don't post much, as I'm not near as knowledgeable as a lot of people here on the subject of the site. But I do quite a bit of reading of the forum threads. And I find it all quite interesting with the different nationalities and their opinions. There may be germans, russians, british, etc. in the city where I live, but not in my circles, so this has been kind of a treat getting to know some people I wouldn't have otherwise. And to read and interact about ww2. So, hopefully I won't tread on anyones toes.
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    By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?
    No, just know that the english are supposed to call us that and that we actually have nothing to do with huns by any means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?
    Do you mean you know the story and it's a quiz, or you want to know where the term came from?

    If the latter, ever heard of Attila the Hun? The Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, etc? If you'd had a Catholic education, which was big on people who threatened to sack ancient Rome, you'd know about Attila and the Huns. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A292402

    The Huns were probably more closely associated with what became Hungary than the Germanic barbarian tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    No, just know that the english are supposed to call us that and that we actually have nothing to do with huns by any means.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Do you mean you know the story and it's a quiz, or you want to know where the term came from?
    Yes, it is kind of a quiz.
    I read it recently but do not remember the detail right now. I will ytry to find it again...
    Roughly speaking it was German Keiser Wilhelm (I or II?) who used term "huns" in verbal address to the German corps, which was about to embark to China for somekind of retaliation attack because Chinese raided German offices or something. So Keiser Wilhelm told them to go there and show and do what huns did to Europe. And then it came from there to this:


    and there : http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohisto...ages/3203.html

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    Right... It was part of the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion in 1899-1901.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
    German troops in particular were criticized for their enthusiasm in carrying out Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany's July 27 order:
    “Make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German.[ Eugene, Melvin. Sonnenburg, Penny M. [2003] (2003). Digitized 2006. Colonialism: An International, Social, Cultural, and Political Encyclopedia. ISBN 1576073351 ]”
    The speech, in which Wilhelm invoked the memory of the 5th century Huns, gave rise to the British derogatory name "Hun" for their German enemy during World War I and World War II.

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