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Thread: What to do with fake vets?

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    Here's another perspective.

    One of the things sensible adults do with wayward kids is educate them, with a range of positive and negative approaches.

    Just banning some dopey kid who's trying to big note himself will only drive him off to some other forum where he's going to do the same thing, and learn nothing.

    We don't send our own kids out into the snow forever more if they lie about their achievements or whatever (tempting though it is ), so why do it here?

    Something came up in the past couple of days that reminded me how I could have got the shit kicked out of me by a bunch of adult blokes in a shearing shed (for those without sheep, a remote all male work camp ) when I was about sixteen for refusing to join the union that everybody was in, and held dear. I think my exact words, in response to a reasonable request which assumed that I'd be joining the union because that's what everybody did, were "I'm not joining a ****ing union." They worked on me for a while and persuaded me, rationally, rather than just shunning me or making my life a misery, or just flogging me into conformity.

    Why not take the same approach here with those who are too young to know better, like I was?

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    Trouble I see is that at 15 you should know better, I am of the firm belief that just because you are young it doesnt give you carte blanche to behave as you like.

    Mind you the age of criminal responsibility here was 8 until very recently when it was moved to 12 and so you may very well have been treated as an adult when it comes to the majority of crimes you may have committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Trouble I see is that at 15 you should know better, I am of the firm belief that just because you are young it doesnt give you carte blanche to behave as you like.
    Not suggesting that it does, but the older they are the more many adults tend to think that they were perfect children, and the more they judge children by their current standard as adults rather than the conveniently forgotten standards they operated on as children.

    There's a difference between accepting anything a child does and saying that's okay because they're children, which isn't my approach, and viewing it as a childish act judged by whatever age they're at and teaching them why better is expected, which is my approach.

    Of course, there comes a time when recalcitrants just need a good kick up the arse now and again to bring them into line.

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    Just a simple example of why 12 or 15 or whatever year old kids big noting themselves about their supposed military experience isn't such a big deal.

    How many blokes did you know in your teens, even early to mid twenties in some sad cases, who presented fantasies of sexual experience and or prodigious consumption of grog, or both, to their mates, who were just as full of it.

    The problem was that every liar thought the other blokes were telling the truth, so everybody who was getting nothing thought they were missing out because the other liars seemed to be getting it.

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    I say ban them. It is a crime to do such a thing in North America and since this is a military forum, discipline should be exacted on the guilty party.
    Illegitimus Non Carborundum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Just a simple example of why 12 or 15 or whatever year old kids big noting themselves about their supposed military experience isn't such a big deal.

    How many blokes did you know in your teens, even early to mid twenties in some sad cases, who presented fantasies of sexual experience and or prodigious consumption of grog, or both, to their mates, who were just as full of it.

    The problem was that every liar thought the other blokes were telling the truth, so everybody who was getting nothing thought they were missing out because the other liars seemed to be getting it.
    I agree. I find it somewhat offensive on some level, but then again they're just kids and should be allowed second chances once they fess up. Besides, I sense certain parties have a bit of fun tripping them up...

    It's some of the supposed adults here that write some stupid things that irk me much more...

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    Eh...kid?

    heh...Heh heh...
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    Default Re: What to do with fake vets?

    People who pose as WWI US vets are a bit unknowligible- there is only one left!

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