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Thread: What to do with fake vets?

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    Default What to do with fake vets?

    Thought I would get this out in the open for your input!

    Kinda to school of thought here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly
    I think its a god idea to add it to the rules. Anyone found impersonating a serving or veteran military member will be warned and given 1 week to apologize. 2 point permanent infraction is automatic. If they do not within that time, then they will be banned.
    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker
    What for ?The thing is simple, if somebody impersonates a ww2 veteran, Korea veteran, Vietnam veteran, Iraq veteran or whatever veteran, that person should be banned, 5 point, never and to other business.
    Edited the quotes a bit. Im sure PK means active or veteran.

    So what are your thoughts? Please vote and let us know.

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    I'd vote for giving them one chance to own up and apologise, with any further attempts at walting earning an instant ban. Not sure about setting a time limit of a week (these things are often unclear at first sight, with people trying to dig themselves out being what gives them away).
    Instant banning on detection is probably a bad idea IMHO, simply because I've got the feeling that the majority of those pretending to be what they aren't on here are very young kids.
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    i figure you might as well just ban them, you gotta figure that its pretty much impossible to prove somebody isnt a veteran, so someone stupid enough to be found out really can't contribute very much anyway
    I don't know about everyone else, but if i were busted on impersonating a veteran i wouldn't be able to show myself on the forum anyway,
    But then again i myself am not a veteran so the decision should be left to someone who actually served

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    This is actually a crime here in the states and you will goto jail for posing as a Vet or active duty personnel it is called the Stolen Valor Act of 2005
    http://www.homeofheroes.com/herobill/
    http://www.homeofheroes.com/herobill/legislation.pdf
    Me I would say a instant ban but being that there are many Kids here on the forums and some who do this to gain attention to themselves I say 4 infraction points for this offense (the max is 5 ?).
    There should also be a sticky posted stating what the rules are about doing this for future reference for all to see .

    That spirit should be nurtured, the imagination should always remain fertile, and we all need a little magic in our lives but this is not the way to do that (boy can you tell I have 2 kids LOL )

    My vote is for infraction points and not to ban the member who just did this nor should they write a letter or statement about their actions the embarrassment is enough .Like I said post a sticky in the forums about doing such and the recourse that will follow if someone does this in the future .

    So I voted other

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    I would go with my initial thoughts. 2 point permanent infraction if they admit it and if they dont within a week of a PM by a Mod then a ban.

    Some young guys may go on to learn and contribute after all and I think my way is a fair compromise.

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    I'm at odds about this one,, but I guess one chance to straighten up, then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I would go with my initial thoughts. 2 point permanent infraction if they admit it and if they dont within a week of a PM by a Mod then a ban.

    Some young guys may go on to learn and contribute after all and I think my way is a fair compromise.
    Agree with FF on this one.
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    I think I made it clear on Sgt Dorr's "I am a liar" thread that I have fairly robust views on the subject.
    That said, I believe most of the walts we've seen here are children.
    They have an over-active imagination and are used to creating personae in games, both on and offline.

    In general children do not possess the same degree of knowledge about conflict as adults, (especially those that have served,) and in fairness they should not be treated in the same manner as the so-called adults who attempt similar deceptions.
    If a ten year old took something from a shop we would not expect them to face the same punishment as a man of thirty.

    Perhaps the problem of walts and trolls should be handled on a case by case basis, let's face it, Tinwalt got away with posting the most foolish babble for far too long before he was binned for non-PC ramblings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    I think I made it clear on Sgt Dorr's "I am a liar" thread that I have fairly robust views on the subject.
    That said, I believe most of the walts we've seen here are children.
    They have an over-active imagination and are used to creating personae in games, both on and offline.

    In general children do not possess the same degree of knowledge about conflict as adults, (especially those that have served,) and in fairness they should not be treated in the same manner as the so-called adults who attempt similar deceptions.
    If a ten year old took something from a shop we would not expect them to face the same punishment as a man of thirty.

    Perhaps the problem of walts and trolls should be handled on a case by case basis, let's face it, Tinwalt got away with posting the most foolish babble for far too long before he was binned for non-PC ramblings.
    Agreed.

    Why make a big deal out of obvious idiots, child or adult?

    The members work them out and expose them, so why bother reinforcing their attention-seeking behaviour by issuing infraction points etc?

    If they own up and apologise then give them a second chance. That's what an awful lot of adult discipline, as in the courts and with some false veterans' organisations, is about. Confession and redemption. The heart of a lot of religions.

    If they're stupid enough to stay around and maintain their lies after being exposed they deserve what they get from other members. Open season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    If they're stupid enough to stay around and maintain their lies after being exposed they deserve what they get from other members. Open season.
    We'd rather you didn't - it makes moderating this place rather hard work.
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    I ll go with Tankgeezer punishment

    The so called "one chance" is an invitation to behave like an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I ll go with Tankgeezer punishment

    The so called "one chance" is an invitation to behave like an idiot.
    While I somewhat agree..........more with RS and Cuts thou.

    However...our abilities to prove that he/she is challenging at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    We'd rather you didn't - it makes moderating this place rather hard work.
    As far as I'm aware, the mods didn't interfere in the members dealing with Sgt Dorr.

    The responses to him are what I had in mind, exposing him and challenging him, as open season, not pointless abuse or flaming.

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    I think the wannabe "veterans" deserve pity... as they are pitifull ones.

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    I /m not sure about you guys but i was feeling like a fool when the kid Wolfgang Von Gottberg have played as Germans Sniper Vet
    I have felt the simular as the shock.
    I suggest to ban a such kids after single warning if they will continite to spread a shit.
    And i would like to ask the WW2admin to sit up a NOTICING in the head of forim's page simular like that " "If you will play as Vet - you will ban forever".
    That's is my hard position


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