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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Sandworm View Post
    That all depends! Terrain can carry a sound quite far. Also in many versions its meant to make a loud noise as an added effect. As your guess is just short of 4 miles it would be extreme but not impossible.
    4 miles is a very long way.

    Unless it's over calm, windless water 4 miles will kill most sounds beyond the point that they're recognisable in normal terrain where there is a mix of even slightly undulating country with some scrub or forest.

    At that distance you might be able to identify some general sounds, but without a lot of experience you'd be struggling to go beyond identifying, say, small arms fire and explosives which might be grenades or small mortars.

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    This appears to have been very violent tactics for troops who later claimed that they used blank ammunition in order to save lives. This assault soon stopped when it was realized that the barracks were in fact empty.

    Why was the assault stopped when it was realised that the barracks were empty?

    They were firing only blanks which couldn't hurt anyone. Firing harmless rounds into an empty barracks couldn't do any more harm than already had not been done by not firing live rounds into occupied barracks.

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    The assault was stopped because it was a waste of time, if no one was in there. And they all headed off to Government House, where a far more deadly firefight ensued.

    Strange that tear gas did not factor in this attack, as it could have been quite useful. The Argies must have used all the tear gas at Moody Brook, and their 10% reserve.
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    Mooching around on Youtube, I found a video of Op. Rosario. It shows a brief shot of Moody Brook barracks. With a bloody big hole in the wall. Does tear gas do that?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_4E8FeiXrQ

    Apologies for the sound track.

    I cut out a frame to show just the picture.



    Its pretty poor but its been through three formats to grab an image. I'm sure there is an easier way.

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    It looks like artillery but no sure the "hole" is too square to me. Seems more a burned out frame of a window.


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    Could well be but tear gas doesn't do that does it?

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    To start a fire? well I think it can do that if the grenade is launched near an inflammable material, but I dont know if this was the case.

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    It is a window, this particular one is a "skylight" sort of affair in the top of the building.

    Tear gas grenades do not usually start fires, nor do smokes. Except on absolutely tinder dry grass/hay or similar.

    Flash bangs have been known to start them (see Iranian Embassy).

    It would be particularly hard to start a fire in this building as it is the training hall/drill hall of the FIDF not Moodybrook Barrack as such but part of the complex. Inside was a wooden floor like found in a school gym and very little incendary matierial. The windows may have had curtains.

    Inside the lower window is part of segregated office, and the front bolt on bit is the way in and a toilet block.

    The smoke damage from the window was caused by something a little bit more inflamatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Ranger View Post
    To be honest I don't buy the Argentine story. Major Norman reports hearing the explosions of grenades at Moody Brook from his position at Government house; on Google Earth I make it about 6 km. Tear gas grenades don't make that much noise, if it had gone the way they said, he would never have heard it.

    Naw, from GH up to Moody Brook is 2 to 3 km at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu_Zulu View Post
    Naw, from GH up to Moody Brook is 2 to 3 km at most.
    Id say about 2km maybe 1.5 miles, which is about the same.

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    I've got a picture somewhere of Moody Brook before and after, I'll dig it out over the weekend.

    Come to mention it, I've also got a shit load of pics both during the war and recently on the pilgrimage. Anyone interested I'll post a few.

    By the way, esta mi amigo Sr Aversa aqui? Hola Santiago

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    Why not...

    put them up, would be quite interesting.

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    Will do it, need a scanner though. Wait out.....................

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    I measured the distance on screen from Google Earth which isn't that precise.

    I came across an account of the state of Moody Brook barracks in Graham Bound's book. Major Norman described it as hit by machine gun fire and white phosphorous in a classic house clearing operation.

    I'd be very interested in seeing your photos, would you be interested in loading them on the Wikipedia?

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    Moody brook was attacked and trashed in a classic attack to kill everyone in there. I visited moody brook a few weeks later and it had all the signs of a firefight albeit a one sided one. I know major Norman he is a no nonsense down to earth sort of bloke, he moved 8901 out as no doubt because if he was attacking he would had gone for the Det first as well.

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