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    Default Vassili Zaitsev

    my bro was asking me how many germans did he kill and i could not answer him so could some one give me the number of germans killed by this man

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    Ok, Soviet propaganda comes into play, but it was somewhere between 142 and 222 at Stalingrad and close to 400 by wars end.

    http://www.snipersparadise.com/history/vasili.htm

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    400 o man he killd battalion .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly
    Ok, Soviet propaganda comes into play, but it was somewhere between 142 and 222 at Stalingrad and close to 400 by wars end.

    http://www.snipersparadise.com/history/vasili.htm
    good find firefly!

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    wow i did not thank he killed that many well thanks now i can tell me bro

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    According to http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm#WWII, WW2 top twenty looks like:

    Name Conflict Service Branch Kills
    Simo Hayha W.W. II Finland 542
    Ivan Sidorenko W.W. II U.S.S.R. 500
    Nikolay Yakovlevich Ilyin W.W. II U.S.S.R. 496
    Kulbertinov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 487
    V. N. Pchelintsev W.W. II U.S.S.R. 456
    Mikhail Budenkov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 437
    Fyodor Matveevich Okhlopkov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 429
    Fyodor Djachenko W.W. II U.S.S.R. 425
    Vasilij Ivanovich Golosov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 422
    Afanasy Gordienko W.W. II U.S.S.R. 417
    Stepan Petrenko W.W. II U.S.S.R. 412
    Sulo Kolkka W.W. II Finland 400+
    Erwin Konig W.W. II Germany 400
    Vasili Zaitsev W.W. II U.S.S.R. 400
    Semen D. Nomokonov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 367
    Abdukhani Idrisov W.W. II U.S.S.R. 349
    Philipp Yakovlevich Rubaho W.W. II U.S.S.R. 346
    Matthäus Hetzenauer W.W. II Germany 345
    Victor Ivanovich Medvedev W.W. II U.S.S.R. 331
    E. Nicolaev W.W. II U.S.S.R. 324
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    Major Erwin Konig the best German sniper killed in Stallingad by Vasilli Zaitcev.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clauss von Stauffeberg
    Major Erwin Konig the best German sniper killed in Stallingad by Vasilli Zaitcev.
    This is a typically Hollywood story (Enemy at the gates).

    It is unsure that the character Erwin Konig exists.
    Check http://www.snipercentral.com/konig.htm

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    No i read a book Memoars of Soviet generals I.V.Cujkov who been commander in 64th Soviet army and i read that in Battle for Stallingrad .


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    You forced me to copy and paste
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    Thorvald and/or Konig
    There is great debate over wether the legendary WWII German sniper that was sent to Stalingrad to dispatch of Vasili Zaitzev was Konig, Thorvald, or even wether he existed at all. In fact in the actual Soviet war records, it originally showed up as a Maj. Erwin Konig, which is in fact a very basic and plain German Name at the time. In Vasili Zaitsev's war memoirs, he later refers to him as Heinz Thorvald, which was yet another popular German name in that time period. Thorvald seems to be the name that is used more now, and its confusing as to which it was, and if they were the same person, or one was a mistake, or wether the German Super Sniper was fabricated by the Soviet press to represent the German army, or German snipers on a "whole", and that the story was just a means of providing morale for the Soviet troops. The two names are on official Soviet war records, but there is no record of either name in the German record books (not to say they couldn't have removed the name to save grace). Any way you look at it, its confusing and debatable. Since both names appear in Soviet propaganda and war records, Konig in early war records and Thorvald in Zaitsevs memoirs and in later war records, I have included them both on the list until there is concrete proof that one or the other, or both, did not exist.
    In regards to Vasili Zaitsev, there is no doubt he existed, and was a very accomplished and successful sniper.
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    Now I am confused and I don't know nothing .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clauss von Stauffeberg
    Now I am confused and I don't know nothing .
    It's good anytime to find more sources (I'd say reliable sources) before a final conclusion of yourself!!
    Remember mate, that during our lives we still learning!!
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    yes you are in right all our lives we still learning but why soviet general in your book lies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly
    Ok, Soviet propaganda comes into play...
    I'm afraid that Firefly answered already
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