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    Quote Originally Posted by B5N2KATE View Post
    CHEVAN....My Russian Tovarisch
    Oh what a nice surprise lads
    The Japane wearponry so...er from Australia.
    Welcome on board comride..
    BTW the good Torpedo-bomber Kate was very effective during the bombing of Perl-Harbor.
    Not wishing to make to much of it.....is this the same General Frost that Froze all those Russian soldiers at Suomussalmi,
    Finland?
    Oh so you are rusophobian.
    Where would you all have been but for the lesson in the Winter School of Warfare handed out to you by the expert Finns?
    Russians suffer from the cold too....they are humans after all.
    [/quote]
    Never tell the russian are humans, they are not a ones
    They are just a bunch of cruel subhuman, managed but ta brutal butchers

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5N2KATE View Post
    Just a couple of quotes from the favourite Finnish General of all time, General BLUSTER..

    "So many Russians....where will we bury them all?"
    "Our Neighbours...The Targets."
    "Our Soviet Friends....the Moving Zoo."


    "Every day was broiled Russian for sure!"
    So you are mad rusophobian....Very well.

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    not a Russophobe....Chevan my friend!

    A great admirer of RUSSIAN culture and humanistic achievement.

    What concerns me the most is the Soviets. I know the common Russian was brave and resourceful, but SOVIETS take the credit for it....every time.

    To my way of thinking, if RUSSIANS could rid themselves of this Sovietness, they would have the ability to intellectually show us a thing or two. But SOVIETS keep interfearing with that destiny.

    World war two was a terrible way for us all to move into the future. It twisted Russian sense of fairplay, and brutalized the reputation they had established. I seek to pull down that Soviet image, merely because it's such a false image for modern Russians to follow. Socialism was a great idea, but it was not a RUSSIAN idea. And, like all converts to a cause, Russians took it on with a passion and zealotry that really did move them backwards. I want to bust the Soviet myths wherever I can find them, in the name of restoring faith in ordinary Russians as HUMAN BEINGS WORTH THEIR SALT.
    We lionize Soviet generals and politicians because these are the principle memories from records that have come down to us....and thats a crying shame, because it wasn't the generals and politruk that won that fight....it was the ordinary Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Crimean etc...
    and the names of most of them have been lost to history, mainly because so many, TOO MANY of them died for their Soviet overlords.

    Bring back RUSSIAN history, without all the Sovietness of it all. The man in the street and field that the Soviet overlords professed to admire so much, and then threw them into the cauldron one after another in the name of defeating Fascism. It was as much to glorify their own Soviet cause as anything, and they wrecked far too many lives and families doing it, when their own diplomacy might have made it different in some small way, or even avoided the situation altogether.

    Socialism was a great idea, but Sovietness twisted this very nobility of ideal in the very name of their own survival as a political entity. In getting rid of the Sovietness from Russians once and for all, we , the makers of the new history, must tell the truth of the matter, not look back to the Grreat Patriotic War as something that was a victory for SOVIETS....but, a victory for HUMANISM. In doing so, we must tell the truth, not whitewash the past in the name of political glorification.

    It really bothers me that modern Russians see their Soviet past with Rose tinted glasses, as a past that was somehow better than a future thewy can and will make for themselves. Political Myth busting also means we must elevate the ordinary man, put him back in the limelight as the true victor of the Eastern front....the faceless RUSSIAN who died.....those brave people that moved forward to certain destruction....

    GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN....AN IDENTITY THAT IS WHOLLY RUSSIAN....

    AND NOT A BIT SOVIET.....NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!
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    is it not ironic that the "Workers and Peasants" who won the fight have been largely forgotten?

    While history, even Russian history, pushes the names of their Soviet masters forward as heroes.....they who sacrifced one in every five of the Workers and Peasants that they supposedly represented. Those bastards weren't representing anyone but themselves, and fully prepared were they to throw away far too many ordinary men to secure their place in those same history books...

    damn Stalin.....damn Zukhov....damn rokossovsky, Voroshilov, Marenkov, Chuikov, and all the other generals who threw away the lives of so many ordinary people, all the while claiming to be "men of the people" themselves.

    I want to hear about the faceless RUSSIANS that won their fight....not about the Moscow fatcats that waved their arms and pumped their fists crying "Once more unto the breach, dear comrades!"

    It might have been for the Motherland, but it was for the SOVIET MOTHERLAND....ordinary Russians simply had to die, and keep dieing until it was over.

    Give us the story Chevan.....but leave out the brutal bigwigs. Always remember we fought Facism too.....the Cold War was necessary to get rid of the Soviets....

    and replace them with non-political RUSSIANS!

    POBYEDA GOSPODIN RUSSKI!
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5N2KATE View Post
    not a Russophobe....Chevan my friend!

    A great admirer of RUSSIAN culture and humanistic achievement.

    What concerns me the most is the Soviets. I know the common Russian was brave and resourceful, but SOVIETS take the credit for it....every time.

    To my way of thinking, if RUSSIANS could rid themselves of this Sovietness, they would have the ability to intellectually show us a thing or two. But SOVIETS keep interfearing with that destiny.
    Wow this is whole other matter...
    Now i recongise the friendly australian style...
    Becouse , i have to say honestly , you are the first person here who doesn't liking as ausralian..
    World war two was a terrible way for us all to move into the future. It twisted Russian sense of fairplay, and brutalized the reputation they had established. I seek to pull down that Soviet image, merely because it's such a false image for modern Russians to follow. Socialism was a great idea, but it was not a RUSSIAN idea. And, like all converts to a cause, Russians took it on with a passion and zealotry that really did move them backwards. I want to bust the Soviet myths wherever I can find them, in the name of restoring faith in ordinary Russians as HUMAN BEINGS WORTH THEIR SALT.
    Well so you think that hte Socialism wasn't so bad idea in sense, right?
    You just claim to be the wrong the Soviet way?
    We lionize Soviet generals and politicians because these are the principle memories from records that have come down to us....and thats a crying shame, because it wasn't the generals and politruk that won that fight....it was the ordinary Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Crimean etc...
    Absolutly agree...
    But i hope you will not deny that it wasn't also the ONLY allied who ONLY fought for our common victory.
    and the names of most of them have been lost to history, mainly because so many, TOO MANY of them died for their Soviet overlords.

    Bring back RUSSIAN history, without all the Sovietness of it all. The man in the street and field that the Soviet overlords professed to admire so much, and then threw them into the cauldron one after another in the name of defeating Fascism. It was as much to glorify their own Soviet cause as anything, and they wrecked far too many lives and families doing it, when their own diplomacy might have made it different in some small way, or even avoided the situation altogether.
    Well said.
    But i hope you should agree that the best way judge the Stalin is via the "justify his bolshevick environment".
    You have to undertand that Stalin probably wasn't the WORST of Bolshevicks
    Socialism was a great idea, but Sovietness twisted this very nobility of ideal in the very name of their own survival as a political entity. In getting rid of the Sovietness from Russians once and for all, we , the makers of the new history, must tell the truth of the matter, not look back to the Grreat Patriotic War as something that was a victory for SOVIETS....but, a victory for HUMANISM. In doing so, we must tell the truth, not whitewash the past in the name of political glorification.
    Good words agains.
    Have you not wrote a own book about?
    I want order it..
    The problem is that we have been already rided out of Sovietness, my friend.In the mid 1990-yy.
    But today the reality of life turned the Anti-Soviets biased propogand itno the otherwise way
    Now we can compare the things...
    And not always the Soviet life seems worsen than today..Believe me.
    It really bothers me that modern Russians see their Soviet past with Rose tinted glasses, as a past that was somehow better than a future thewy can and will make for themselves. Political Myth busting also means we must elevate the ordinary man, put him back in the limelight as the true victor of the Eastern front....the faceless RUSSIAN who died.....those brave people that moved forward to certain destruction....
    The problem again- yu can't pull out the peace of YOUR history ( even if it don't like you).
    And honaestly speacing , not EVERYTHING in USSR was so bad,as it tupically portrayed in the Western mass media ( especially during cold war).
    And you HAVE to realize - not all of our people considered the USSR as the bad as you try to inspire.
    You nothing can do woth it, just have to use..
    Actually i/m not a "soviets" , i think that there were a lot of wrong things in USSR, the Soviet ideoligy for instance.
    However i have to say that the free hight education, total guaranted medical servise is still very importaint pluses of that life.
    As i said we can compare.
    And whatever the "democrats' speaks today about our past- this is just a simlisic propogandic approach , the true is much more complicated
    i don't like to be a democratic fanatic who look at the everything Reds as the Bull
    I hope you've understood.
    GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN....AN IDENTITY THAT IS WHOLLY RUSSIAN....

    AND NOT A BIT SOVIET.....NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!
    oh MEditation..it's great thing..
    OK i will try...
    GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN...
    The Stalin was the butcher
    , the russians were the good
    , the soviets were the bad..
    The Lenin was a Great intellectual...
    DAMN....
    WTF and how i can separate the rusians from the Soviets?
    May be the truly russians were who foight on the Germany side like general Vlasov?
    How do you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5N2KATE View Post
    is it not ironic that the "Workers and Peasants" who won the fight have been largely forgotten?

    While history, even Russian history, pushes the names of their Soviet masters forward as heroes.....they who sacrifced one in every five of the Workers and Peasants that they supposedly represented. Those bastards weren't representing anyone but themselves, and fully prepared were they to throw away far too many ordinary men to secure their place in those same history books...

    damn Stalin.....damn Zukhov....damn rokossovsky, Voroshilov, Marenkov, Chuikov, and all the other generals who threw away the lives of so many ordinary people, all the while claiming to be "men of the people" themselves.
    Rokossovskij what for?
    Are you going to piss off our polish comrides?
    And what is that the "ordinary" peoples- the horde of idiots who voluntary agreed to subordinate to Generals-butcher?
    How do you this is there a logic?
    I want to hear about the faceless RUSSIANS that won their fight....not about the Moscow fatcats that waved their arms and pumped their fists crying "Once more unto the breach, dear comrades!"
    You want and you can hear about facelass russians who died..
    There a lot of thread about those mans.
    You might chack it please.
    It might have been for the Motherland, but it was for the SOVIET MOTHERLAND....ordinary Russians simply had to die, and keep dieing until it was over.
    Absolutly right.
    This everything for Mothland..but can you separate the Soviet mothelend from Russian one?
    Give us the story Chevan.....but leave out the brutal bigwigs. Always remember we fought Facism too.....the Cold War was necessary to get rid of the Soviets....
    OK, i've told a stories in other threads.
    and replace them with non-political RUSSIANS!

    POBYEDA GOSPODIN RUSSKI!
    It's not honest, you knew russian...

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    And BTW mr JapaneBomber, why have you colored post so brightly?
    Does you check am i a daltonic?

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    my absolute favorite Russian Gen. is Gen.Zhukov

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    Have to say, by what I have read, while various others are worthy, I favour Zhukov.
    The man was greatly talented, and I respect his achievements.

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    While I heard many favorable things about Zukhov, I wonder how many times the Russians managed to tactically defeat the enemy.

    I might risk to sound ignorant, but my understanding was that in most battles, the Russians overwhelmed the Germans with numerical superiority in manpower, machines and munitions.
    How much truth is to that?

    If there is any to it, wouldn't that pretty much mean that they had poor leadership that pretty much just ordered the soldiers to run into a meat grinder until they wore out the troops?

    I'm sure there were cases of outflanking, outmaneuvering, etc. But how often did tactical superiority lead to a victory compared to simple numerical superiority?

    Whenever I look at the numbers of battles, with most battles I see the Soviets suffering horrendous losses, often a good chunk more than the Axis, which I would rather blame on the Generals than the troops, as the troops themselves had pretty good equipment and tanks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuultz View Post
    While I heard many favorable things about Zukhov, I wonder how many times the Russians managed to tactically defeat the enemy.

    I might risk to sound ignorant, but my understanding was that in most battles, the Russians overwhelmed the Germans with numerical superiority in manpower, machines and munitions.
    How much truth is to that?

    If there is any to it, wouldn't that pretty much mean that they had poor leadership that pretty much just ordered the soldiers to run into a meat grinder until they wore out the troops?

    I'm sure there were cases of outflanking, outmaneuvering, etc. But how often did tactical superiority lead to a victory compared to simple numerical superiority?

    Whenever I look at the numbers of battles, with most battles I see the Soviets suffering horrendous losses, often a good chunk more than the Axis, which I would rather blame on the Generals than the troops, as the troops themselves had pretty good equipment and tanks...
    You make fair points my friend.
    As a survivor of the 1937 Purges, I'd have to suggest Zhukov had at least a reasonable grasp of the subject of tactics, if not of grand strategy.
    Yes, a lot of Soviet tactics at the time, was to overwhelm with numbers.
    However, my understanding is that Zhukov had a better grasp of tactics (as the West understood the term) than most of his contemporaries.
    From My reading, a near rival might be Rossokovskiy, though I do have questions there.
    In general, while the Russian soldiery was reasonably capable and certainly courageous, I do feel their generals did not always direct them well.
    How much of that is due to political considerations, as opposed to any putative lack of skills is a point I have long pondered.

    Regards, Uyraell.

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