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    DVX Hello, I'm glad you like our forum, and to answer you, I'm French and I live about 250 km from the Italian border, and I perceived that I knew nothing of its history during the 2nd World War, so when I found the forum through my best friend, I myself am registered and I learned many things, including one that told a lot of nonsense about the military Italian. I knew your forum because during my research I came across it and I also discovered the site of WW2 in colors that I'm writing well, I like it because it is varied, and it addresses many subjects that interest me, including Italy.
    And to answer you about Oswald, I'd say that I did a bit expressly to say this because when you know the shooting performance of the Carcano, you're laughing, 3 balls in under 6 seconds, it's out opportunities that gun even with a super sniper, that was not Oswald.
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    You konw Fred, sometime, I've noticed, foreign people, or Italian descents living abroad discuss ad study Italian history or military history with a passion, a competence and a balance often difficoult to find here in Italy. In general I think that Italy's history and fascist Italy in contemporary history are very charming subject of study. This is can be a reason, but the most for me is due to two reasons: an absolute freedom of research for history lovers and for the achademic wolrd abroad, especially in anglosaxon speaking countries. In Italy Italy it's very very difficoult because the oligarchy controls totally the achademy world and reject everything that 's not politically useful to its purposes or politically uncorrect. Another cause is that the distance in space and time from the motherland can strenghten feelings of Italian heritage.
    An example of this speech it's this interesting website founded by a Canadian engineer of Italian heritage and that gathers many fans or modellists of Regia Aeronautica and ANR:

    http://www.stormomagazine.com/index.htm

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    If i may be allowed to say something about it, my opinion is that here in Italy old wounds open up, when someone try to face such ticklish questions... Apart from politic and academic world, this kind of discussion is often difficult even between two plain persons. I agree with you DVX when you say that Foreign or Italian descents discuss or study our history with "... a passion, a competence and a balance, hard to find here in Italy." Our narrow- mindedness about these topics and our mental attitude, like our incurable individualism, conditioned the way of thinking of this Country, as well the political Parties, Institutions, Education system, etc. I think we'll need some other generations, to comprehend and somatize what the History, tryed to teach us...
    The last thing, DVX, is that in this Forum, except very few exceptions, you'll find open-mind and available people, with a kind disposition towards whoever...
    Best regards.
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    You'll right Skorzeny57... for example, if you think, at first sight it's very strange for example that a website like comandosupremo.com is born outside Italy. Actually, considering what we said, it's clear... However, as I told Fred, it's make me happy to see a website like his one or the others we're talking about.
    Now, coming back to the topic of Italian infantry weapons, I wanted to make attention over two submachine guns that were used together with the MAB even if (as usual in Italy's WWII weapons) in small small numbers: the tz 45 and the fnab 43. Like in other military field, Italian military industry showed the ability to create new modern and competitive sub-machine guns for infantry, but as usual in WWII, too late and, first of all, in too small numbers.
    I link these websites to show you photos and information about tz 45 and fnab 43:

    http://www.mymilitaria.it/liste_04/borsa_tz.htm#eng

    http://mvsn.forumcommunity.net/?t=10523261

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    The Tz-45 was an Italian submachine gun, chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge, produced in small numbers (about 6.000) between 1944 and 1945. TZ are the initial letters of the two designers (Tonon and Zorzoli), that planned the weapon. The production was entrusted to the "Giandoso Brothers Arm Factory" of Brescia (that is my town...). A friend of mine, about ten years ago, found one of these smg in the river that crosses the town, the Mella river. Of course the weapon, even if now restored, is fully unusable but is a good piece, anyway. Probably, after the end of the war, when the post-war Authority forced all the former soldiers and partisans to hand back all the weapons, someone hid it. After some years, probably scared by the consequences of an illegal possession of firearm, they got rid of it, throwing the smg in the river... I will probably be able to post a picture of this smg, in the next days. Best regards.
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    Strangely in this post was forgotten the Beretta 18/30, semiautomatic rifle born at the end of WWI, later improved till to the last version, just the 18/30 caliber 9mm adopted by the Italian army. This rifle was also exported in Latin America, above all to the Argentinian police. In Italy, apart a modest number of items for the army, it became the standard weapon of the Milizia Forestale (MVSN for forestal guard) that used it until the '70s years, more than 40 years after that this rifle was introduced and 30 after that the Corp was renamed Corpo Forestale and its former black shirts abandoned forever (soon after the war: it's actually the only corp directly descending from the Black Shirts)...
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    Here tne Beretta 18/30 in action "live"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGeXlcfnfTk

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    Just have a look to this brief footages. They're short introductions to the main Italian mgs for infantry support; they're original videos of the war time.

    Breda 20mm mod.35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olE_N...eature=related
    Breda 8mm mod.37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzVOk...eature=related
    Fiat-Revelli 8mm mod.35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x7Jy...eature=related
    Breda 6,5mm (but cartdrige 7,35 were good the same) mod.30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwU2o...eature=related

    I add too the mortar Brixia introduction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMgWx...eature=related
    and the rifle Carcano mod.91/38 version 7,35mm (this model was also sold to Finland) one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSl0H...eature=related

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    Hello DVX my friend, unfortunately your videos are not more available, a pity because they were interesting by made it that they were taken on the land.
    Fred regards
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